Orkun Kökçü

[Yid-ol]

It will be either him or Maddison IMO.

Doubt we sign both.

Depends on who else we ship out.

If we only keep Bentancur, Bissouma and then get those 2 in, then that's better than we have now! Or even keep Skipp also.

 

[mark87]

Depends on who else we ship out.

If we only keep Bentancur, Bissouma and then get those 2 in, then that's better than we have now! Or even keep Skipp also.

There's no way we're selling Skipp.

 

[felmani26]

Sorry bud i disagree with that, re the midfield. You have to remember Slot rotates between a 433 and 4231. In both cases Szymański is the AM who will also play in the CM 3 but will be the most advanced. Kokcu also puts a foot in defensively quite a bit. In having Bentancure and Kokcu on the pitch you would have too much overlap even if there skill sets differ. You would still need that AM who breaks into the box. Szymański isn't a particularly great player but he still racked up 9 goals and 4 assists this season which displays the importance of that advanced midfielder role in Slot's system.

As I said, even if we get Kokcu we will still need an AM for his set up.

You may well be right but then you have to factor in Kane dropping deeper than Gimenez would in being the playmaker so 433 could be the preference.

 

[Impspur1]

Don’t know much about him, is he a playmaker type like a Navas at wolves?

 

[DiamondLites]

His value would go beyond what he would offer on the pitch I think (although I do think he is a tidy player) - he is a trusted Slot lieutenant and his presence in the squad and on the training ground would help to facilitate the implementation of Slot ball and its requirements from a player point of view

 

[HarryTed14]

It’s clear that bringing in the heartbeat of Slots team would be us backing Slot, rather than him having to get a tune out of one of our current midfielders.
It will help us pick up Slots philosophy quicker so I’m all up for this signing.

 

[wrd]

I think Bentancur has shown that he's got some capabilities going forward, I mean he looked like Zidane in certain moments so I think him moving further forward with somebody coming in would make sense. Bentancur in a 3 equally makes sense with Bissouma and this type of player but I think we would have to be selling Hojbjerg. I think Sarr has huge levels of promise and we need to be mindful of not wasting it though.

 

[jpascavitz]

Don’t know much about him, is he a playmaker type like a Navas at wolves?

Deep lying playmaker. Take with salt because playing in an inferior league but per 90:

Assists:
• Kokcu - .07
• Neves - .03

Shot-Creating Actions:
• Kokcu - 6.42
• Neves - 2.36

Progressive Passes:
• Kokcu - 12.33
• Neves - 6.51

Passes attempted:
• Kokcu - 83.75
• Neves - 62.85

Pass Completion %:
• Kokcu - 81.6%
• Neves - 82.3%

Progressive Carries:
• Kokcu - 2.87
• Neves - .85

Successful Take-Ons:
• Kokcu - .94
• Neves - .58

Tackles:
• Kokcu - 1.27
• Neves - 2.36

Interceptions:
• Kokcu - .57
• Neves - 1.51

Blocks:
• Kokcu - .5
• Neves - 1.79

Can Kokcu keep up with the physical/defensive demands of the PL while still retaining his high offensive stats? That will be the question if he moves here.

 

[Flobadob]

Deep lying playmaker. Take with salt because playing in an inferior league but per 90:

Assists:
• Kokcu - .07
• Neves - .03

Shot-Creating Actions:
• Kokcu - 6.42
• Neves - 2.36

Progressive Passes:
• Kokcu - 12.33
• Neves - 6.51

Passes attempted:
• Kokcu - 83.75
• Neves - 62.85

Pass Completion %:
• Kokcu - 81.6%
• Neves - 82.3%

Progressive Carries:
• Kokcu - 2.87
• Neves - .85

Successful Take-Ons:
• Kokcu - .94
• Neves - .58

Tackles:
• Kokcu - 1.27
• Neves - 2.36

Interceptions:
• Kokcu - .57
• Neves - 1.51

Blocks:
• Kokcu - .5
• Neves - 1.79

Can Kokcu keep up with the physical/defensive demands of the PL while still retaining his high offensive stats? That will be the question if he moves here.

Like I was saying, nothing like Bentancur or Bissouma…

 

[snakehipsspurs]

We’re in a good spot with our midfield balance if he comes. Bissouma/Skipp can play the deeper role, Bentancur/Kökçü/Sarr/Lo Celso can play the progressive roles.

Suspect we get one more in also in the deeper role to replace Hojbjerg, and maybe another advanced option if Lo Celso is shipped off.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Sorry bud i disagree with that, re the midfield. You have to remember Slot rotates between a 433 and 4231. In both cases Szymański is the AM who will also play in the CM 3 but will be the most advanced. Kokcu also puts a foot in defensively quite a bit. In having Bentancure and Kokcu on the pitch you would have too much overlap even if there skill sets differ. You would still need that AM who breaks into the box. Szymański isn't a particularly great player but he still racked up 9 goals and 4 assists this season which displays the importance of that advanced midfielder role in Slot's system.

As I said, even if we get Kokcu we will still need an AM for his set up.

I have a feeling Slot may really like Devine if he becomes our manager. High energy, makes a lot of runs in and around the box, good ball striker and can drop deeper too.

May not be a starter every game but I wonder if we brought in Alex Scott, promote Devine and then sign Kokcu (replacing Hojbjerg):

Bissouma/Skipp/Sarr
Bentancur/Kokcu/Sarr
Devine/Scott

With Sarr capable of playing in 2 of the roles and also us being able to mix up the combinations depending on who we play, the way we want to tweak our tactics etc. For example playing both Benny and Kokcu with Bissouma in certain games. Would significantly reduce the age of our midfield options and add technical ability and energy too.

In this case Kokcu could be a valuable addition for his technical ability, pressing ability, leadership and his progressive passing/playmaking skills.

 

[jpascavitz]

Like I was saying, nothing like Bentancur or Bissouma…

Yes to me, he would come off as more similar to Eriksen in his role at Utd with a bit worse assist type stats and a bit better defensive stats. Or Gross in his DM role at Brighton where he has 16 matches this season with 4 goals/5 assists. That's the role I would want/expect him to take up with us.

Bentancur to me is the closest thing we've had to Dembele.

 

[Flobadob]

Yes to me, he would come off as more similar to Eriksen in his role at Utd with a bit worse assist type stats and a bit better defensive stats. Or Gross in his DM role at Brighton where he has 16 matches this season with 4 goals/5 assists. That's the role I would want/expect him to take up with us.

Bentancur to me is the closest thing we've had to Dembele.

Give me a deep creative midfielder like Eriksen over a player like Maddison all day long. We need to worry about actually controlling games long before we need to worry about breaking down low blocks etc

 

[Ghost Hardware]

You may well be right but then you have to factor in Kane dropping deeper than Gimenez would in being the playmaker so 433 could be the preference.

The interesting thing about Gimenez is that he is very much a striker. He only racked up 3 assists all season in all competitions. I mean he only has 14 career assists, its clearly not his forte. Like you point out Kane is a very different type of forward. Thing is tho that when looking at Gimenez within the Slot set up you can certainly see a comparison to how City set up with Haaland. I think if we let Kane sit deeper and take up that AM role then the 3rd midfielder would have to act as more a shadow striker/Raumdeuter to essentially make up for the lack of focal point in the box which is essential for Slot. Ether way, its not ideal and something Slot will have to work out.

Anyway, without going too far off topic. I like Kokcu, although I always have concerns about the jump to the premier league from Holland, and I really wouldn't be against him in theory. Plus obviously having that player that already knows Slot would hopefully help to install his ideas on the rest quicker. And as has been mentioned more technical players are needed. My concern comes more from how it effects the rest of our business as I really struggle to see us brining in a large numbers of players in this window. Plus I really think we would be silly not to pick up Alex Scott considering he's home grown, not crazy expensive and really looks like a special prospect.

Essentially as I said, I don't think a midfield three of Bissuma, Bentancur and Kokcu would be nuanced enough having watched a lot of Feyenoord and knowing their skill set regardless of who our front three is. Of course, nobody knows what Bentancur will be like when he comes back or even if he will be the same player so that is also another concern. If anything maybe we shouldn't be considering him at all for the upcoming season. I would just hope that if we do get Kokcu that he isn't our only midfield addition as we would still be lacking in the AM department as we have been for years. But I would think he will be.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

Deep lying playmaker. Take with salt because playing in an inferior league but per 90:

Assists:
• Kokcu - .07
• Neves - .03

Shot-Creating Actions:
• Kokcu - 6.42
• Neves - 2.36

Progressive Passes:
• Kokcu - 12.33
• Neves - 6.51

Passes attempted:
• Kokcu - 83.75
• Neves - 62.85

Pass Completion %:
• Kokcu - 81.6%
• Neves - 82.3%

Progressive Carries:
• Kokcu - 2.87
• Neves - .85

Successful Take-Ons:
• Kokcu - .94
• Neves - .58

Tackles:
• Kokcu - 1.27
• Neves - 2.36

Interceptions:
• Kokcu - .57
• Neves - 1.51

Blocks:
• Kokcu - .5
• Neves - 1.79

Can Kokcu keep up with the physical/defensive demands of the PL while still retaining his high offensive stats? That will be the question if he moves here.

Stats from the 2021/22 season of Midfielders in Top 5 Leagues.

Top 3% for passes into the opposition 3rd.
Top 9% for progressive passes per 90.
Top 14% shot creating actions per 90.
Top 5% tackles in final 3rd
Top 8% pressures in final 3rd.

Haven't found data on 2022/23 but be Interested to see his trajectory.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I have a feeling Slot may really like Devine if he becomes our manager. High energy, makes a lot of runs in and around the box, good ball striker and can drop deeper too.

May not be a starter every game but I wonder if we brought in Alex Scott, promote Devine and then sign Kokcu (replacing Hojbjerg):

Bissouma/Skipp/Sarr
Bentancur/Kokcu/Sarr
Devine/Scott

With Sarr capable of playing in 2 of the roles and also us being able to mix up the combinations depending on who we play, the way we want to tweak our tactics etc. For example playing both Benny and Kokcu with Bissouma in certain games. Would significantly reduce the age of our midfield options and add technical ability and energy too.

In this case Kokcu could be a valuable addition for his technical ability, pressing ability, leadership and his progressive passing/playmaking skills.

Well whats for sure is we will need to figure out what we are doing with Devine as he will be 19 soon and by all accounts has started to stagnate a little in the under 21's. Really there is no reason not to integrate him like you say but I still feel he will most likely get a loan. Ether way he needs to be playing as much as possible. Its a shame we haven't given him more game time up until now.

 

[robertgoulet]

Hopefully he's grown as a person since his decision to not wear the rainbow armband. I'd rather not replace Lucas with Lucas-lite.

 

[TheChosenOne]

His value would go beyond what he would offer on the pitch I think (although I do think he is a tidy player) - he is a trusted Slot lieutenant and his presence in the squad and on the training ground would help to facilitate the implementation of Slot ball and its requirements from a player point of view

He is the captain of Feyenoord, a leader.

 

[Guntz]

I have a feeling Slot may really like Devine if he becomes our manager. High energy, makes a lot of runs in and around the box, good ball striker and can drop deeper too.

May not be a starter every game but I wonder if we brought in Alex Scott, promote Devine and then sign Kokcu (replacing Hojbjerg):

Bissouma/Skipp/Sarr
Bentancur/Kokcu/Sarr
Devine/Scott

With Sarr capable of playing in 2 of the roles and also us being able to mix up the combinations depending on who we play, the way we want to tweak our tactics etc. For example playing both Benny and Kokcu with Bissouma in certain games. Would significantly reduce the age of our midfield options and add technical ability and energy too.

In this case Kokcu could be a valuable addition for his technical ability, pressing ability, leadership and his progressive passing/playmaking skills.

Devine needs to go out on loan next season IMO.

He needs consistent men's football and that's not going to come with playing the odd game for us - especially if we're not in Europe.

The same can be said with Sarr.

 

[dirtydave]

Whilst Kokcu often sets their tempo, whenever I watch Feyenoord it's Szymanski (who plays in the Kulu role) that stands out for me. The whole team is bang up for each game though. Easily the most entertaining team to watch in the Eredivisie, I would be overjoyed to see this brand of football at Spurs.