Match Threads Norwich vs Spurs - Match Thread

[shelfboy68]

Our defence just parted and allowed him through...it was practically on the penalty spot by the time he shot...no one put a tackle in.
At least if Toby forced him to play it wide the attacker has a bit of an angle to deal with.

#wcburnout

 

[sebo_sek]

We have a knack for giving bottom feeders something good to feel about themselves. Waford 1-1, norwich 2-2...

 

[rossdapep]

So I missed the game today and decided to watch the second half only. I wanted to watch it in isolation and without thinking about other performances/results/individual situations etc.

On that basis I saw quite a lot of good things.

Ndombele - That was a performance that suggests to me that he can be our new Dembele. Linked defence to attack superbly, found space to move into continuously, threaded some lovely passes and will be a massive asset in the transition and breaking the lines. He also makes damn hard to get the ball off.

Lo Celso - I actually thought he played well enough, we're mot going to see his A game just yet but he was moving into the right spaces, linking up well, cutting in and opening the pitch up. He got into some good shooting positions from lay offs, which suggests he's understanding his teammates better.

Sessegnon - Having him stay out wide allowed us to switch the ball really well and it's clear he has the technical ability to hurt the opposition and get some assists/goals. I'd be tempted to switch him as the highest playing FB and change the RB situation.

Eriksen - ran the show. Was much more his usual self. Unfortunately this could all be futile if he leaves in the next few weeks as we will certainly need to replace him.

The team - I did see a nucleus there of a team who can really work well going forward. A team who could create chances against teams who sit back. Unfortunately the ball just wouldn't quite land where it needed to but it looks like there is a spark.

However, the negatives (the aspects holding us back)..

Defensive set up - We are so incredibly easy to play through. Norwich barely got at us but it always felt like they were 2-3 passes away from our goal. We have so many spaces all around our defence and in front of it. Aurier has a blind spot in which he can't see runners behind him, Jan gets dragged all over the place and Toby gets lost on which space to occupy. Sanchez also needs to stop rushing out with defenders who drop in to draw him out. I feel like all of this could be prevented with someone screening the defence and shutting down those gaps. Secondly we need a RB who can really provide better defensive nous.

The club - our priority in this moment has to be a DM who can screen and plug the gaps. Someone who is positionally assured and experienced to know where to be. Secondly a RB who can offer the defensive resolve and mentality required - need to stop trusting the likes of Aurier who are always one mistake away. Next an Eriksen replacement, I'm not sure if Lo Celso can be our conductor, he's more in the Lamela role for me (passer and mover who is handy in the opposition box) , whereas Eriksen can pick up the ball and dictate from deep. Then we need to be looking at a CB and LB.

But fix the first 3 and I think Jose's tactical/technical training will start to improve all the other aspects that are failing us.

 

[KingKay]

Positives to take away. N’Dombele proved he can get stuck in.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

Just feels like there’s a bad attitude running through this side. The way we start games, how we seem to pull out of challenges in the first 10-15 minutes especially. Even last week against Chelsea we were pulling out of tackles or physical contact.

I think there’s a few things contributing to these kind of performances. I think some of the players are probably starting to question the true motives of the people at the top, some players are feeling their age or have just gotten comfortable. It’s led to a drop off in a collective drive and will to win. We need to clear quite a few players out. We need to build a new team with a new energy.

 

[SugarRay]

Looking at the table...such a shit result. Need to win on NYD 100%

 

[TURKISH69]

So I missed the game today and decided to watch the second half only. I wanted to watch it in isolation and without thinking about other performances/results/individual situations etc.

On that basis I saw quite a lot of good things.

Ndombele - That was a performance that suggests to me that he can be our new Dembele. Linked defence to attack superbly, found space to move into continuously, threaded some lovely passes and will be a massive asset in the transition and breaking the lines. He also makes damn hard to get the ball off.

Lo Celso - I actually thought he played well enough, we're mot going to see his A game just yet but he was moving into the right spaces, linking up well, cutting in and opening the pitch up. He got into some good shooting positions from lay offs, which suggests he's understanding his teammates better.

Sessegnon - Having him stay out wide allowed us to switch the ball really well and it's clear he has the technical ability to hurt the opposition and get some assists/goals. I'd be tempted to switch him as the highest playing FB and change the RB situation.

Eriksen - ran the show. Was much more his usual self. Unfortunately this could all be futile if he leaves in the next few weeks as we will certainly need to replace him.

The team - I did see a nucleus there of a team who can really work well going forward. A team who could create chances against teams who sit back. Unfortunately the ball just wouldn't quite land where it needed to but it looks like there is a spark.

However, the negatives (the aspects holding us back)..

Defensive set up - We are so incredibly easy to play through. Norwich barely got at us but it always felt like they were 2-3 passes away from our goal. We have so many spaces all around our defence and in front of it. Aurier has a blind spot in which he can't see runners behind him, Jan gets dragged all over the place and Toby gets lost on which space to occupy. Sanchez also needs to stop rushing out with defenders who drop in to draw him out. I feel like all of this could be prevented with someone screening the defence and shutting down those gaps. Secondly we need a RB who can really provide better defensive nous.

The club - our priority in this moment has to be a DM who can screen and plug the gaps. Someone who is positionally assured and experienced to know where to be. Secondly a RB who can offer the defensive resolve and mentality required - need to stop trusting the likes of Aurier who are always one mistake away. Next an Eriksen replacement, I'm not sure if Lo Celso can be our conductor, he's more in the Lamela role for me (passer and mover who is handy in the opposition box) , whereas Eriksen can pick up the ball and dictate from deep. Then we need to be looking at a CB and LB.

But fix the first 3 and I think Jose's tactical/technical training will start to improve all the other aspects that are failing us.

We can all moan about he was shit, he’s shit and so on you get the picture. The main problem has been fundamental errors from the chairman and owner, they never backed Poch when we needed an overhaul and thought it was great we didn’t sign anyone in two transfer windows. Now it has caught up with us and I never thought I would say this again but we are now the same old spurs let’s you down all the time. We have regressed 10yrs instead of evolving. The owner and chairman are good business men when it comes to infrastructure off the pitch but absolutely fucking clueless when it comes to the football side of things. Who took the brunt of there failure was the best manager we have had since billy Nick yes Poch. There is something seriously wrong within our club to regress so quickly and yes all you Levy lovers with your blinkers on the only people to blame is DANIEL LEVY AND JOE LEWIS ( got a lovely new stadium tho) fuck the stadium I want the spurs I love and adore back because if you look under this current structure we are playing the old Wimbledon style football 36 long ball passes just in the first half, yes 36 we have fucked it right up, Levy and Lewis don’t give a fuck about that tho as we are paying top dollar to watch Spurs and as long as us mugs keep paying it do you think they care.. Do they fuck I absolutely despise the fucking pair of them. Until they sell our club we will not win a fucking dickey bird let’s hope that happens and we have someone who wants ambition and glory for Spurs instead of pound coin signs COYS

 

[SugarRay]

Thing is, even when we did buy, it’s been poor. Poch’s record transfer wise is very questionable.

The make up of his best side was done before him, for the most part. Still relying on those that were there before he took over.

 

[rossdapep]

We can all moan about he was shit, he’s shit and so on you get the picture. The main problem has been fundamental errors from the chairman and owner, they never backed Poch when we needed an overhaul and thought it was great we didn’t sign anyone in two transfer windows. Now it has caught up with us and I never thought I would say this again but we are now the same old spurs let’s you down all the time. We have regressed 10yrs instead of evolving. The owner and chairman are good business men when it comes to infrastructure off the pitch but absolutely fucking clueless when it comes to the football side of things. Who took the brunt of there failure was the best manager we have had since billy Nick yes Poch. There is something seriously wrong within our club to regress so quickly and yes all you Levy lovers with your blinkers on the only people to blame is DANIEL LEVY AND JOE LEWIS ( got a lovely new stadium tho) fuck the stadium I want the spurs I love and adore back because if you look under this current structure we are playing the old Wimbledon style football 36 long ball passes just in the first half, yes 36 we have fucked it right up, Levy and Lewis don’t give a fuck about that tho as we are paying top dollar to watch Spurs and as long as us mugs keep paying it do you think they care.. Do they fuck I absolutely despise the fucking pair of them. Until they sell our club we will not win a fucking dickey bird let’s hope that happens and we have someone who wants ambition and glory for Spurs instead of pound coin signs COYS

Well it most certainly wasn't Wimbledon style hoofball today. We did a lot of excellent moves and created chances from them.

I'd prefer to focus on the future, we all know where we've gone wrong, yes, Levy should have invested but that's done now.

Jose is prioritising, he wants to ensure our attackers are scoring and winning us games because he knows we are brittle as fuck at the moment. Which is why we've been bypassing the midfield. But once Ndombele, Eriksen and Lo Celso are all in the team we can go through the middle. He's doing it by necessity not because he thinks it'll win us championships.

 

[Joeyboey]

I watched the game with a bunch of Norwich supporting mates and said at the beginning of the game that their best chances will come via Aurier and Foyth. It’s absolutely no shock whatsoever that these two were at fault for their goals. Aurier in particular just throws games away and I’m out of patience with him. Done.
My thoughts. How bad must Kyle Walker Peters be? How immense is Ndombeles potential. Was awesome once he found his rhythm.

 

[daryl hannah]

Thought Gazza played well barring the first norwich goal. couple of great saves. So much prefer him in the sticks to Lloris.

 

[Mighty Spurs]

We were awful first half, second half we played much better. I thought that we were lucky to get a draw.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Like he was the only one who couldn't win a ball to save their life in that first half.

Obviously he wasn't the only one, but he was the one people were gushing inaccurately about.

When he had the ball in the first half he was the only one who looked able to control it and do something positive with it. Yes, he didn't run and cover as much ground or do what you expect an experienced PL defensive midfielder would do, but he has never been that type of player so why are you expecting that of him and why are you not criticizing the other players who were MUCH worse than him in every aspect? He was the least of our problems in that half by far.

I don't agree with the "much worse". He's mega-talented. But the issue here is not which of our midfielders was the worst. It was who was being unjustly praised, based on what they weren't doing and what wasn't working. People were bigging up Ndombele because they had wanted to see his name in the starting lineup and needed to Be Right, not because of what was happening on the pitch.

In the first half, everything he did failed to come off and that was mainly because he was pulling out of challenges and not attacking the ball. Sure, he wanted to attack, which is great. But it helps to have the ball.

In the second half, it was obvious he had been told to toughen up his approach, because he did it and it worked.

As often is so, my main issue isn't with Ndombele. It's with people here seeing shit that isn't there because of confirmation bias.

 

[Monkey boy]

Juan foyth, fuck me what do people honestly see in this guy? Will literally gift the opposition a goal or a penalty every time he steps on to the pitch. Dreadful player.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Once again let down by giving away pathetic goals, Foyth for first , second just comedy of errors, is Europa League that bad.

 

[TURKISH69]

Well it most certainly wasn't Wimbledon style hoofball today. We did a lot of excellent moves and created chances from them.

I'd prefer to focus on the future, we all know where we've gone wrong, yes, Levy should have invested but that's done now.

Jose is prioritising, he wants to ensure our attackers are scoring and winning us games because he knows we are brittle as fuck at the moment. Which is why we've been bypassing the midfield. But once Ndombele, Eriksen and Lo Celso are all in the team we can go through the middle. He's doing it by necessity not because he thinks it'll win us championships.

Sorry but did you miss out the bit about how fucking shit we are defensively and if you think playing long ball football is good to watch you obviously haven’t been at the last couple of games because Chelsea, the 1st half of Brighton game was some of the worst football I’ve witnessed at Spurs for 10yrs. Even the 1st half of today’s game, so please I know he’s just come in but I fear football may of left Jose behind. I really hope not because I want him to do well for us. Let’s just give him time Jan transfer window will be a good pointer. Levy will be in profit again tho from player sales no doubt. (Lovely new stadium tho)

 

[SugarRay]

Juan foyth, fuck me what do people honestly see in this guy? Will literally gift the opposition a goal or a penalty every time he steps on to the pitch. Dreadful player.

He’s technically a good player. Just a poor defender. He’s one of these footballers who is technically very good but doesn’t translate well to actual matches and in game situations. He reminds me of Chiriches. He should look at Serie A. Slower paced and not as much intensity, he’d have all day there to fuck about with it and look great bringing the ball out etc

 

[rossdapep]

Obviously he wasn't the only one, but he was the one people were gushing inaccurately about.


I don't agree with the "much worse". He's mega-talented. But the issue here is not which of our midfielders was the worst. It was who was being unjustly praised, based on what they weren't doing and what wasn't working. People were bigging up Ndombele because they had wanted to see his name in the starting lineup and needed to Be Right, not because of what was happening on the pitch.

In the first half, everything he did failed to come off and that was mainly because he was pulling out of challenges and not attacking the ball. Sure, he wanted to attack, which is great. But it helps to have the ball.

In the second half, it was obvious he had been told to toughen up his approach, because he did it and it worked.

As often is so, my main issue isn't with Ndombele. It's with people here seeing shit that isn't there because of confirmation bias.

I think its possible that the injury is playing in his mind, could explain why he was being timid.

Either way, you're right, he needs to be a bruiser and not shirk these challenges. A destroyer/DM beside him may help him too.

 

[jonnyp]

Foyth. Horrible horrible player. Please jettison him to somewhere in Jan Jose

He just needs to get it into his stupid head that he cannot dribble as defender. Just keep it simple and he will look so much better.

Obviously he wasn't the only one, but he was the one people were gushing inaccurately about.


I don't agree with the "much worse". He's mega-talented. But the issue here is not which of our midfielders was the worst. It was who was being unjustly praised, based on what they weren't doing and what wasn't working. People were bigging up Ndombele because they had wanted to see his name in the starting lineup and needed to Be Right, not because of what was happening on the pitch.

In the first half, everything he did failed to come off and that was mainly because he was pulling out of challenges and not attacking the ball. Sure, he wanted to attack, which is great. But it helps to have the ball.

In the second half, it was obvious he had been told to toughen up his approach, because he did it and it worked.

As often is so, my main issue isn't with Ndombele. It's with people here seeing shit that isn't there because of confirmation bias.

Eriksen has pulled out of challenges his whole career - it's a trademark at this point. Alli was abysmal for most parts of the game. Lo Celso wasn't getting involved enough at all. So it's a bit much to ask Tanguy to cover the DM role with those sorts of performances around him - especially since he is not a DM. Even Jose in his post match PC acknowledged we were not playing with a holding midfielder and praised Tanguy.

I completely disagree with you that everything he did in the first half failed to come off. I do agree with you that he clearly has a way to go in his defensive side - it's clearly not his strength at this point. But I hope you have an opportunity to watch the game again because he was far more positive than negative in that first half - especially if you compare him with our other players.

 

[rossdapep]

He’s technically a good player. Just a poor defender. He’s one of these footballers who is technically very good but doesn’t translate well to actual matches and in game situations. He reminds me of Chiriches. He should look at Serie A. Slower paced and not as much intensity, he’d have all day there to fuck about with it and look great bringing the ball out etc

He's actually very good at reading the game. The problem is he always over plays the ball or looks to surge forward with his first touch and he plays it into trouble, this is typical of a very raw defender who hasn't had a lot of game time. Add the fact he's learning in the PL, the worst league for having time and space and you get a very unstable environment.

He should be learning all this and building confidence elsewhere. But Poch wanted to keep him to prevent him from picking up bad traits.


Well that worked!!!