New Stadium Details And Discussions

[spursfan77]

The Club have won the Planning Appeal for the Goods Yard Development.

https://www.goodsyardtottenham.co.uk/

Spurs 1 Haringey 0 AET.

https://acp.planninginspectorate.gov.uk/ViewCase.aspx?caseid=3204591

Why wouldn’t the council want all this?
Our proposals will deliver:
• Up to 330 new homes – including 40% affordable housing subject to housing grant availability.
• An appropriate mix of housing to respond to local demand - including around 20% family homes
• The opportunity to provide new homes for those who will need to move as part of the Council’s regeneration plans – so that these residents can live right next to their current home.
• A beautiful new public space called ‘Station Master’s Square’ – creating a welcoming meeting point for residents and visitors to this part of Tottenham.
• The provision of around 1,000 square metres of employment, retail and leisure space at ground floor – suitable for interested local businesses of various sizes.
• Buildings ranging in height from 2 to 8 storeys with two taller buildings of 18 and 21 storeys adjacent the railway line and to the south of the taller Brook House building – consistent with the Masterplan Framework for the High Road West area.
• The sensitive refurbishment of the locally listed Station Master’s House – carefully respecting the building’s heritage and bringing it into public use.
• New shops and cafés at ground floor – boosting the local economy and providing much-needed amenities for residents.
• Beautifully landscaped garden and courtyard spaces for residents – hidden away from the busy White Hart Lane.
• Over 500 cycle bays – including cycle parking spaces for every home, to encourage cycling and promote the use of public transport.
• A sustainable design – through the careful use of natural light, efficient building materials and green spaces to create a healthy and desirable residential neighbourhood.

 

[coys200]

With the housing crisis and shark property developers on the take amazing you can still find plots of land that size in relatively urban/central London.

 

[worcestersauce]

Why wouldn’t the council want all this?
Our proposals will deliver:
• Up to 330 new homes – including 40% affordable housing subject to housing grant availability.
• An appropriate mix of housing to respond to local demand - including around 20% family homes
• The opportunity to provide new homes for those who will need to move as part of the Council’s regeneration plans – so that these residents can live right next to their current home.
• A beautiful new public space called ‘Station Master’s Square’ – creating a welcoming meeting point for residents and visitors to this part of Tottenham.
• The provision of around 1,000 square metres of employment, retail and leisure space at ground floor – suitable for interested local businesses of various sizes.
• Buildings ranging in height from 2 to 8 storeys with two taller buildings of 18 and 21 storeys adjacent the railway line and to the south of the taller Brook House building – consistent with the Masterplan Framework for the High Road West area.
• The sensitive refurbishment of the locally listed Station Master’s House – carefully respecting the building’s heritage and bringing it into public use.
• New shops and cafés at ground floor – boosting the local economy and providing much-needed amenities for residents.
• Beautifully landscaped garden and courtyard spaces for residents – hidden away from the busy White Hart Lane.
• Over 500 cycle bays – including cycle parking spaces for every home, to encourage cycling and promote the use of public transport.
• A sustainable design – through the careful use of natural light, efficient building materials and green spaces to create a healthy and desirable residential neighbourhood.

You do have to wonder don't you, perhaps they feel they could use the Staionmasters square for more houses or that new shops and cafe's will bring in the wrong sort of people.

 

[Wine Gum]

This adjacent site http://867-879highroad.co.uk/ will no doubt enter the planning process soon.

The B&M site has been included on the Agenda for the next planning meeting as a pre-application breifing. https://www.minutes.haringey.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?MId=9080&x=1

I am not to sure if the club directly own the Goods Yard and B&M sites as the Goods Yard Section 106 Agreement includes TH Property Ltd who are listed in the Bahamas.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Can someone orientate my derrière here, in the vid below, did/does it belong to Spurs (or a company within) and where is/was it in relation to Goods Yard/Tottenham High road? Would they have just leased a plot of land for the Stadium build?
T.I.A

Don't think Spurs owned that land either they rented or Mace may have done , it was land between Harbet Rd and Towpath Rd and was all part of an industrial site much now demolished, the row of trees are alongside the Lea Navigation , it's to the east of IKEA.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6102896,-0.0389409,672m/data=!3m1!1e3

 

[spursfan77]

You do have to wonder don't you, perhaps they feel they could use the Staionmasters square for more houses or that new shops and cafe's will bring in the wrong sort of people.

They don’t want it to get too nice, else it will push out the people who vote for them. You’d think they would welcome the affordable housing without having to pay for it themselves though wouldn’t you.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Why wouldn’t the council want all this?
Our proposals will deliver:
• Up to 330 new homes – including 40% affordable housing subject to housing grant availability.
• An appropriate mix of housing to respond to local demand - including around 20% family homes
• The opportunity to provide new homes for those who will need to move as part of the Council’s regeneration plans – so that these residents can live right next to their current home.
• A beautiful new public space called ‘Station Master’s Square’ – creating a welcoming meeting point for residents and visitors to this part of Tottenham.
• The provision of around 1,000 square metres of employment, retail and leisure space at ground floor – suitable for interested local businesses of various sizes.
• Buildings ranging in height from 2 to 8 storeys with two taller buildings of 18 and 21 storeys adjacent the railway line and to the south of the taller Brook House building – consistent with the Masterplan Framework for the High Road West area.
• The sensitive refurbishment of the locally listed Station Master’s House – carefully respecting the building’s heritage and bringing it into public use.
• New shops and cafés at ground floor – boosting the local economy and providing much-needed amenities for residents.
• Beautifully landscaped garden and courtyard spaces for residents – hidden away from the busy White Hart Lane.
• Over 500 cycle bays – including cycle parking spaces for every home, to encourage cycling and promote the use of public transport.
• A sustainable design – through the careful use of natural light, efficient building materials and green spaces to create a healthy and desirable residential neighbourhood.

Believe present council want more than the 40% affordable and that is subject to housing grant which I assume comes from Haringey. Last I read was that Haringey were going to build their own homes where they have land ,all at council rents which for any private developer is a non starter. It's all very complicated https://www.ft.com/content/1b3c6798-8a84-11e8-b18d-0181731a0340

The current leader of Haringey Council was opposed to the tower flats being built by stadium with no social housing .
https://www.thetottenhamindependent...urs-gain-planning-permission-for-new-stadium/

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Why wouldn’t the council want all this?

[insert a great deal of promotional guff written by the club's PR consultants]

Of course, they do want all this. They just want more of it than they're getting, once you discount the developer's PR.

Adding to @SirHarryHotspur's comments, it's worth mentioning that the application wasn't refused. The appeal was against non-determination, i.e., the council not making a decision in the required time scale.

Negotiations, largely about affordable housing, had been going on for months and the applicant felt they were getting nowhere, so threatened to appeal unless the council gave ground on certain key points, which the council wouldn't do. So they appealed to get a decision.

This document is the minutes of a committee meeting on 8 Oct 2018, after the appeal had been submitted, where the council met for the explicit purpose of assembling legitimate grounds for asking the Planning Inspector to refuse the scheme (see paragraph 1.2). They settled upon:

• Lack of a full viability appraisal to justify the reduced level of affordable housing.
• Lack of a signed-off S.106 Agreement.
• Access to White Hart Lane not adequate.
• No adequate justification for loss of "heritage assets", which usually means nice old buildings that aren't necessarily listed.

The point is that they aren't opposed to the scheme. They just want more benefit from it and they wouldn't accept less on the basis of the evidence they had been given.

They don’t want it to get too nice, else it will push out the people who vote for them.

That's malicious bollocks. Haringey Council have been trying to move people on higher incomes into the eastern half of the borough for at least 20 years, because it contains large tracts of poverty-ghettos. That is why their affordable housing policy for that part of Haringey prefers 70% shared ownership and only 30% social rented, whereas it is the other way around in the wealthier western half of the borough.

People who rant on about Haringey on SC tend to forget that the borough includes Crouch End, Muswell Hill, Hornsey and half of Highgate, as well as Tottenham and the neighbourhood of Harringay (sic).

You’d think they would welcome the affordable housing without having to pay for it themselves though wouldn’t you.

Of course they do, it's in their policy, but it's a matter of degree. They demand a certain percent and the developer wants to provide less. Surely you'd rather they didn't just cave in whenever a developer wants to boost profit at the expense of affordable housing provision.

 

[coys200]

Stadium nominated for world architecture award. WAN 2019

 

[Clark28]

Stadium nominated for world architecture award. WAN 2019

Finally, some silverware

 

[coys200]

Finally, some silverware

We haven’t won it yet ?

 

[coys200]

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Why wouldn’t the council want all this?
Our proposals will deliver:
• Up to 330 new homes – including 40% affordable housing subject to housing grant availability.
• An appropriate mix of housing to respond to local demand - including around 20% family homes
• The opportunity to provide new homes for those who will need to move as part of the Council’s regeneration plans – so that these residents can live right next to their current home.
• A beautiful new public space called ‘Station Master’s Square’ – creating a welcoming meeting point for residents and visitors to this part of Tottenham.
• The provision of around 1,000 square metres of employment, retail and leisure space at ground floor – suitable for interested local businesses of various sizes.
• Buildings ranging in height from 2 to 8 storeys with two taller buildings of 18 and 21 storeys adjacent the railway line and to the south of the taller Brook House building – consistent with the Masterplan Framework for the High Road West area.
• The sensitive refurbishment of the locally listed Station Master’s House – carefully respecting the building’s heritage and bringing it into public use.
• New shops and cafés at ground floor – boosting the local economy and providing much-needed amenities for residents.
• Beautifully landscaped garden and courtyard spaces for residents – hidden away from the busy White Hart Lane.
• Over 500 cycle bays – including cycle parking spaces for every home, to encourage cycling and promote the use of public transport.
• A sustainable design – through the careful use of natural light, efficient building materials and green spaces to create a healthy and desirable residential neighbourhood.

Just wonder where this leaves the High Road West scheme , thought Good Yard was within the boundaries of the scheme .
Found this little bit in an article about Spurs becoming property developers , Quod are involved with Spurs developments , can see more fights coming up on the social housing front.

"But in the planning and regeneration statements for both the 500 White Hart Lane and Goods Yard schemes, drawn up by planning and development consultants Quod, there are echoes of Mr Lipton’s view of social housing.

They argue that Tottenham is “skewed heavily towards council and other social rented properties, including large estates such as Northumberland Park and Love Lane”.

The statement notes that “data from the GLA [Greater London Authority] shows that workless households account for half of households in social rented homes, compared to only 7% in owner-occupied housing. The current tenure mix therefore re-enforces the high levels of worklessness and low levels of household income”.

 

[Lighty64]

Why wouldn’t the council want all this?
Our proposals will deliver:
• Up to 330 new homes – including 40% affordable housing subject to housing grant availability.
• An appropriate mix of housing to respond to local demand - including around 20% family homes
• The opportunity to provide new homes for those who will need to move as part of the Council’s regeneration plans – so that these residents can live right next to their current home.
• A beautiful new public space called ‘Station Master’s Square’ – creating a welcoming meeting point for residents and visitors to this part of Tottenham.
• The provision of around 1,000 square metres of employment, retail and leisure space at ground floor – suitable for interested local businesses of various sizes.
• Buildings ranging in height from 2 to 8 storeys with two taller buildings of 18 and 21 storeys adjacent the railway line and to the south of the taller Brook House building – consistent with the Masterplan Framework for the High Road West area.
• The sensitive refurbishment of the locally listed Station Master’s House – carefully respecting the building’s heritage and bringing it into public use.
• New shops and cafés at ground floor – boosting the local economy and providing much-needed amenities for residents.
• Beautifully landscaped garden and courtyard spaces for residents – hidden away from the busy White Hart Lane.
• Over 500 cycle bays – including cycle parking spaces for every home, to encourage cycling and promote the use of public transport.
• A sustainable design – through the careful use of natural light, efficient building materials and green spaces to create a healthy and desirable residential neighbourhood.

perhaps they love chick king and don't want to see it disappear

 

[davidmatzdorf]

They argue that Tottenham is “skewed heavily towards council and other social rented properties, including large estates such as Northumberland Park and Love Lane”.

The statement notes that “data from the GLA [Greater London Authority] shows that workless households account for half of households in social rented homes, compared to only 7% in owner-occupied housing. The current tenure mix therefore re-enforces the high levels of worklessness and low levels of household income”.

And that is exactly why Haringey Council have been trying to encourage shared ownership in Tottenham (and eastern Haringey generally) for the past 20 years, instead of packing the neighbourhood full of more social rented housing.

The social rented housing is supposed to be targeted at western Haringey, where there is very little at present and where property values mean that shared ownership is unaffordable. But there are the inevitable NIMBY issues whenever a housing association tries to build a meaningful amount of rented housing in the wealthier neighbourhoods.

 

[irradiation]

In other news, Chris Cowlin posted a stadium photo with the pitch in NFL mode and with the pitch markings painted on.

 

[hellava_tough]

In other news, Chris Cowlin posted a stadium photo with the pitch in NFL mode and with the pitch markings painted on.

Presumably that's the artificial pitch?

 

[chrissivad]

Presumably that's the artificial pitch?

It will be.
We dug up the pitch the other week to relay it, and I'm not even sure if the new grass has gone down yet.

 

[irradiation]

Presumably that's the artificial pitch?

Yep, that’s the artificial pitch. Folks in SSC say it’s for the NFL Academy launch this week and a competition?

 

[Tottenhamboy85]