New Stadium Details And Discussions

[gregga]

If a judicial review concludes that a planning consent was improperly granted, then the consent is cancelled.

Exactly.

I would have thought this has the potential to hold things up.

 

[Lilbaz]

Exactly.

I would have thought this has the potential to hold things up.

Would it? The demolition of the buildings and building of the southern development are at least another 18 months away. We have permission to build a stadium.

How long will the judicial review take?

 

[Hoops]

Lots of progress last couple of days.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Exactly.

I would have thought this has the potential to hold things up.

Would it? The demolition of the buildings and building of the southern development are at least another 18 months away. We have permission to build a stadium.

How long will the judicial review take?

If there is an application for a judicial review, then it is THFC's commercial decision whether to incur the risk of abortive costs by continuing to build, or to wait for the results of the review. There will be costs associated with delay, as well as risks associated with proceeding.

I've been in this position: about 12-15 years ago, a housing association had planning consent for a new development in a well-to-do part of North London and a group of local NIMBYs applied for judicial review, based on dire forecasts for the fate of a semi-wildlife area on the edge of the development site - it was really just the last of a series of excuses to prevent having social housing built near them. The HA had to decide whether to go ahead with the build and risk the money spent if they lost the review, or to wait and risk losing a time-limited capital grant toward the cost of the development. The development team wanted to go ahead, but the HA board refused to take the risk, which irritated us all mightily. In the end, the objectors were given legal advice that their application for the judicial review was bound to fail and they withdrew it, lest they be throwing their money away.

There is a period of 3 months after a consent is granted, after which a judicial review cannot be demanded, but I don't think there is a strict timetable for the review itself. It depends on the naure and complexity of the case and, of course, on the wealth of the applicants and respondents. Someone with more legal experience may know more about this than I.

We have permission to build "a" stadium and we have a revision approved that includes a basement, but I would think that the pending changes to the design are sufficiently extensive that there won't be many months of work before they get to the point where they are building things "at risk", i.e., they might have to demolish completed work if a judicial review went against them.

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

No matter what they do with the "food court" part of the stadium, it can not be worse than last night. Queuing for 20 minutes (7/8 people in front of us), for there to be little or no food left, and 3 minutes waiting for water to be poured into two cups. Not to mention no card payment facility.

The NFL people wouldn't stand for that.

 

[Lilbaz]

No matter what they do with the "food court" part of the stadium, it can not be worse than last night. Queuing for 20 minutes (7/8 people in front of us), for there to be little or no food left, and 3 minutes waiting for water to be poured into two cups. Not to mention no card payment facility.

The NFL people wouldn't stand for that.

I do like them pint glasses that fill from the bottom. You can pour about 30 pints a minute. There was a video floating about somewhere (on my phone).

 

[we_all_loved_freund]

I do like them pint glasses that fill from the bottom. You can pour about 30 pints a minute. There was a video floating about somewhere (on my phone).

They had them at WBA - still took 20mins to get served...

 

[Hoops]

No matter what they do with the "food court" part of the stadium, it can not be worse than last night. Queuing for 20 minutes (7/8 people in front of us), for there to be little or no food left, and 3 minutes waiting for water to be poured into two cups. Not to mention no card payment facility.

The NFL people wouldn't stand for that.

Aye. They are pretty useless.

 

[Dinghy]

I do like them pint glasses that fill from the bottom. You can pour about 30 pints a minute. There was a video floating about somewhere (on my phone).

I may be missing something here but I've never seen a glass that fills from anything but the bottom... ???

 

[Lilbaz]

I may be missing something here but I've never seen a glass that fills from anything but the bottom... ???

Google is your friend.

 

[neilp]

Google is your friend.

Just watched a video on it, absolutely fucking amazing, even those halfwits serving at white hart lane could use this and get 10 times the amount of people served during half time.

 

[Spursidol]

I may be missing something here but I've never seen a glass that fills from anything but the bottom... ???

 

[shelfmonkey]

I want one!!!!

 

[JimmyG2]

Eerie!
Assume they're plastic glasses
Otherwisethe beer will come out through the hole it comes in through.
Nope it may be fast but it's against nature.
Plastic glasses.
Where's the skill.
That's a development too far for me.

 

[Amo]

Eerie!
Assume they're plastic glasses
Otherwisethe beer will come out through the hole it comes in through.
Nope it may be fast but it's against nature.
Plastic glasses.
Where's the skill.
That's a development too far for me.

It's a magnetic disk that is lifted when being filled. When the liquid stops pumping the disk falls back down and reseals the cup. No reason it can't be glass. Though that would defeat the purpose of quickly filling and serving drinks to large crowds, with plastic cups being highly stackable and less prone to breakages.

There does seem to be a bit of "let's fill even more oceans with plastic just for the novel quirkiness of it"

 

[acky99]

It's a magnetic disk that is lifted when being filled. When the liquid stops pumping the disk falls back down and reseals the cup. No reason it can't be glass. Though that would defeat the purpose of quickly filling and serving drinks to large crowds, with plastic cups being highly stackable and less prone to breakages.

There does seem to be a bit of "let's fill even more oceans with plastic just for the novel quirkiness of it"

There is no way, they would use Glass for these events, the HSE would blow a fuse, not only that there are always morons that would use these glasses as weapons.

 

[ERO]

There is no way, they would use Glass for these events, the HSE would blow a fuse, not only that there are always morons that would use these glasses as weapons.

They won't use them for football matches, no. But the technology works perfectly with glass as well, just as it does with plastic. As shown in the "how does it work" video.

But they don't use glass for football anyway, so wouldn't really make a difference in that way.

 

[Lee82]

It would have been encouraging if he had also mentioned on time and on budget.

Yeah indeed, it's a bit odd that no budget has really ever been forthcoming.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Yeah indeed, it's a bit odd that no budget has really ever been forthcoming.

I don't think so. Why would THFC publish a "budget" for a half-billion pound development, the nature of which is constantly changing in a fluid sales market and an equally unstable building industry market? The only function of such a figure would be as a hostage to fortune, so some tabloid bollocks journalist could print a horseshit story, in 2 years time, about how the NDP has "gone over budget" by a zillion pounds.

Every major development gets those stories and they're always rubbish. Why invite them by making a headline "budget" figure, which I guarantee would mean fuck-all, public.

It isn't the way development works.

 

[acky99]

I don't think so. Why would THFC publish a "budget" for a half-billion pound development, the nature of which is constantly changing in a fluid sales market and an equally unstable building industry market? The only fumnction of such a figure would be as a hostage to fortune, so some tabloid bollocks journalist could print a horseshit story, in 2 years time, about how the NDP has "gone over budget" by a zillion pounds.

Every major development gets those stories and they're always rubbish. Why invite them by making a headline "budget" figure, which I guarantee would mean fuck-all, public.

It isn't the way development works.

Why don't we just quote a budget of £800m, and when we finish at a cost of £520m, we can then say we came in £280m under budget
Its pretty much what Ryan air do with their flight times!!