New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Achap]

I understood it would be when they cut and shunt the first part of the build with the existing stadium, e.g. paxton will have to be knocked down before they can build the second half of the new stadium.

No, three sides of the new stadium will be built whilst we use the existing stadium at full capacity. Then the pitch will be laid, out of season, in the new stadium, and we will move there at increased capacity for the next season. Then the Paxton will come down, and the new stadium completed.

 

[Spursidol]

Interesting post on Skyscraper :

'I thought some of you on here would be interested in this email I received. It's from David Keirle at KSS. This is David's reply to my email that asked him about any future expansion of the new Tottenham stadium, and why KSS opted for a distance of 8.2m in regards to the distance from the front row of seating to the touchline:

Quote:
Stadium geometry is incredibly complicated. The nearer any stadium tier gets to the touchline or goaline the steeper the tier needs to be to achieve the acceptable "C" value sightlines. With a maximum angle of rake allowable in the UK the key defining geometric design criteria is the "C" value sightline at the rear seat. Multi-tier stadiums make the generation of acceptable stadium bowls even more complicated. Fundamentally, the larger the stadium capacity the further you need the front seat to be away from the touchline, even with the most clever of designs, to meet modern standards of sightlines and comfort, and of course Green Guide 5. It is therefore impossible to design to modern design standards for any stadium over 30-35,000 and keep within UEFA guideline distances.

We have designed the Tottenham Stadium to allow for some further expansion but not to the same level as at Brighton.

My guess (and it is only a guess) would be that the 'further expansion' being built in would be limited to circa 5,000.

However if standing ever became legal in the UK, there would be an option with 'The kop' to increase capacity more significantly

Edit : THe Brighton stadium when opened was 22,000 capacity - it is now 30,000. So the increase can be said to be 8,000 or 40%. I cannot see anything like the same % increase, so logically it is more likely to be less than the 8,000.

 

[Spursidol]

Re the 3 options put forward the council :

1. All 3 options include the Stadium Way = good news

2. Even option 1 includes a lot more than the Stadium Way which Spurs want/need. Consequently there is a lot of potential disruption for local residents. Will this turn the majority of residents off or will they be up for it.

3 Option 3 looks a huge amount of development - and therefore disruption to the locals. Will they all be seduced by the stated opportunity to have bigger homes, more open spaces and local facilities ? But at a cost of 15 years of living on a building site. If that gets the 'nod' then Tottenham will be changed for ever (=good news for club). But I can also imagine a number of people will be opposed to the perception of the 'gentrification' of the area, could become a political football..

Think Spurs will be lying low at moment - but pressing for the Stadium Way bit to be pushed ahead with in the autumn when the strength of local opinion has started to bec ome clearer.

Whichever option is chosen Harringay Council/Boris et al will be committing big sums of money to the regeneration of Tottenham area.

 

[Grey Fox]

No, three sides of the new stadium will be built whilst we use the existing stadium at full capacity. Then the pitch will be laid, out of season, in the new stadium, and we will move there at increased capacity for the next season. Then the Paxton will come down, and the new stadium completed.

Cheers, mind you thats if it all goes to plan and they don't dig up Harry Hotspur's remains or unearth a Roman town!

 

[Achap]

Cheers, mind you thats if it all goes to plan and they don't dig up Harry Hotspur's remains or unearth a Roman town!

If they unearth a Roman town, and it has a Colosseum, that could save us building a new stadium.

 

[Spursidol]

Not sure if I have seen this document (published April 2013) on this thread before - think it really confirms already known info,
http://www.haringey.gov.uk/haringey_idp_update_april_2013.pdf

Para 6.2

6.2 Transport for London and Department for Transport have identified the West Anglia line through Tottenham Hale and Northumberland Park as a key priority for investment to expand capacity. The line is running at capacity during peak periods. Enhancement to
capacity on the Lea Valley Line serving Tottenham Hale and Northumberland Park is key to regeneration in the ULV. Network Rail and TfL are supporting additional track capacity and platforms initially to allow for a 4 trains per hour local service between Angel Road and
Stratford.





NB> Angel Road is the station after Northumberland Park, if starting from Stratford.

 

[shelfmonkey]

Of course it's a major issue. If punters know they can turn up on the day and buy a ticket, as was the case until 20 or so years ago, they won't shell out on a season; major/crucial games will sell out, those against less fashionable sides won't. You only have to visit Topspurs and check out attendance patterns for past seasons to see that.

I agree, some of the attendances in the 80's were shockingly poor, we probably averaged way less than 30,000, it certainly burst my little bubble of nostalgia!!

 

[shelfmonkey]

Ev

Cheers, mind you thats if it all goes to plan and they don't dig up Harry Hotspur's remains or unearth a Roman town!

Even the Romans steered clear of N17

 

[Lilbaz]

Ev


Even the Romans steered clear of N17

No, the first Tottenham riots were caused by Boudicca. She also burnt the place to the ground.

 

[Spur-of-the-moment]

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As far as I know the High Road is an old Roman Road.

 

[camaj]

No, three sides of the new stadium will be built whilst we use the existing stadium at full capacity. Then the pitch will be laid, out of season, in the new stadium, and we will move there at increased capacity for the next season. Then the Paxton will come down, and the new stadium completed.

My understanding is the when we play in the new stadium it won't be less than our current capacity, but the club have never said more. Even if it was a reduced capacity, it'd only be for one season.

I just can't wait for the day we stop talking about it and it's a reality

 

[Achap]

My understanding is the when we play in the new stadium it won't be less than our current capacity, but the club have never said more. Even if it was a reduced capacity, it'd only be for one season.

I just can't wait for the day we stop talking about it and it's a reality

On the contrary, the Club has always said that the capacity will at no time during construction drop below its present level, and will increase upon moving into the partially completed new stadium (Phase 3). The Club no longer has its planning and phasing diagrams on the OS, but these were taken from there at the time.

http://www.project-resource.co.uk/blog/article/spurs-new-400m-stadium-granted-planning-approval

http://www.coys1882.info/2011/09/20/spurs-secures-agreement-for-northumberland-development-project/

 

[chrissivad]

Question for Edmonton ...

How long do you think the knew design will take and how long did the last design take?

from Edmonton

Can't see it being finished in 2013 BUT it would be possible to start some work on the stadium if the other parts fall into place.

 

[RichSpur58]

from Edmonton

This whole project has become so boring. Dithering and dithering. Its getting like the Damiao transfer.

Just settle on a design, and build the fecker.

 

[Mister Jez]

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As far as I know the High Road is an old Roman Road.

Parts of it was originally known as Ermine Street, runs from London to Lincoln then on to York, nothing to do with the new stadium, just one of those weird facts you drag up from the depth of your memory sometimes.....

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

O/T.

Have a read of this article exposing the way Liverpool have bought properties around Anfield, using agencies and 3rd parties to hide they were buying them, and then leaving them boarded up / derelict in turn utterly shafting their neighbours. Absolutely disgraceful:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/...ay/06/anfield-liverpool-david-conn?CMP=twt_gu

I just looked on Google Maps, looks at the state of the road next to the stadium:-

http://goo.gl/maps/gZ5tq

Club owned properties boarded up, bringing down the value of adjacent properties.

 

[Spursidol]

O/T.

Have a read of this article exposing the way Liverpool have bought properties around Anfield, using agencies and 3rd parties to hide they were buying them, and then leaving them boarded up / derelict in turn utterly shafting their neighbours. Absolutely disgraceful:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/...ay/06/anfield-liverpool-david-conn?CMP=twt_gu

I just looked on Google Maps, looks at the state of the road next to the stadium:-

http://goo.gl/maps/gZ5tq

Club owned properties boarded up, bringing down the value of adjacent properties.

I think its morally wrong to buy up houses and board them up. The houses should have been let out by the club for people to live in, on short term tenancies etc so that the club could empty the accomodation when it wanted to build the stadium - but the planning process should also require Liverpool to build new housing too, in effect to replace the housing stock.

Leaving them derelict and boarded up Liverpool knew, or should have known that the area would degerate. Its not an acceptable business practice to purposely run down house prices so as to buy them cheaply.

Liverpool council are also complicit - they should have been demanding the club let out the houses rather than having empty houses at a time when there is a shortage of housing.

 

[KaribYid]

A gooner mate of mine was telling me he heard we want to share the Emirates while the stadium is being built...


Anyone heard this? Thoughts?

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

A gooner mate of mine was telling me he heard we want to share the Emirates while the stadium is being built...


Anyone heard this? Thoughts?

No and no. No way that's happening.

 

[beats1]

A gooner mate of mine was telling me he heard we want to share the Emirates while the stadium is being built...


Anyone heard this? Thoughts?

I seriously dont understand how many times this rumour comes out, we aren't knocking it down first, we are just building next to it first and knocking it down

Fucking gooners always finding a way to annoy me even from 4000 miles lol