New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Hoopspur]

So is it now - that the bowl can now be worked on at the same time as the old South Stand demolished with not such quite the matter of priority?

 

[Buggsy61]

I guess with the North stand out of the way they will be able to really crack on with the new East and West stands, before the new South stand goes in, and then the roof starts in Jan/Feb 18 if I remember rightly from the schedule.
Exciting times

 

[DanielCHillier]

I guess with the North stand out of the way they will be able to really crack on with the new East and West stands, before the new South stand goes in, and then the roof starts in Jan/Feb 18 if I remember rightly from the schedule.
Exciting times

Looks like another couple of weeks of piling before that can happen.

 

[danielneeds]

They definitely look ahead of schedule at the moment though. The talk was the start of the new season before demolition would have been completed.

I dunno what penalty clauses Daniel put in the contract but Mace are really kicking ass.

 

[Roynie]

They definitely look ahead of schedule at the moment though. The talk was the start of the new season before demolition would have been completed.

I dunno what penalty clauses Daniel put in the contract but Mace are really kicking ass.

Might be more incentive bonuses to finish early. IIRC David Matzdorf and others on here were saying quite a while ago now, that the the penalty clauses weren't that effective and usually were negotiated away after lengthy discussions (paraphrasing). Bonuses were likely to be more effective.

Of course it does depend on whatever Dear Leader has managed to get the companies to sign!

 

[danielneeds]

Might be more incentive bonuses to finish early. IIRC David Matzdorf and others on here were saying quite a while ago now, that the the penalty clauses weren't that effective and usually were negotiated away after lengthy discussions (paraphrasing). Bonuses were likely to be more effective.

Of course it does depend on whatever Dear Leader has managed to get the companies to sign!

This is the man who managed to get Boro to pay £7m for a 18 stone Mido so anything's possible....

 

[L-man]

Doesn't sound like Mace have any penalties due to complexities of the build

• DL stressed this was all at the Club’s risk – Mace wouldn’t work to a fixed price contract with this build as there were too many variables and Mace would not be responsible for any overruns. This is a complicated demolition and build

http://www.thstofficial.com/thst-news/thfcthst-board-to-board-meeting-2-may-2017-report

 

[davidmatzdorf]

They aren't "penalty clauses". Penalties are illegal in building contracts. They're damages for late completion, related to the extra costs incurred by the Employer as a result of the Contractor completing the project late.

And as @Roynie says, I did write, more than once, that they are ineffective. When you can actually enforce them, as opposed to the usual end-result of reaching a commercial settlement (compromise) with the contractor, you get some money back, perhaps 2 years later, but the threat of damages doesn't get the building finished any sooner.

In a construction-management contractor such as this one, I would not be surprised to to see financial incentives for early completion, as well as damages for late completion.

I wouldn't draw any conclusions about work being ahead of schedule. They're obviously beavering away vigorously on site, but it's likely that some areas/aspects of the job are ahead of the programme, whereas others are behind the programme. It's not possible to judge progress on a contract of this size by looking at how busy the site it, or how much built structure has appeared. You'd have to sit down with the detailed, week-by-week programme and work it out. It would take hours and there are people being paid to do just that.

 

[joshua_snodgras]

So does anyone have a link to the project plan? Would be great to see...

 

[worcestersauce]

From a business point of view the completion of this project on time and in budget is pretty good to have on your curriculum vitae, pretty rewarding financially in the future too I'd have thought.

 

[Wine Gum]

Compression ring going up on the North Stand.

 

[Roynie]

They aren't "penalty clauses". Penalties are illegal in building contracts. They're damages for late completion, related to the extra costs incurred by the Employer as a result of the Contractor completing the project late.

And as @Roynie says, I did write, more than once, that they are ineffective. When you can actually enforce them, as opposed to the usual end-result of reaching a commercial settlement (compromise) with the contractor, you get some money back, perhaps 2 years later, but the threat of damages doesn't get the building finished any sooner.

In a construction-management contractor such as this one, I would not be surprised to to see financial incentives for early completion, as well as damages for late completion.

I wouldn't draw any conclusions about work being ahead of schedule. They're obviously beavering away vigorously on site, but it's likely that some areas/aspects of the job are ahead of the programme, whereas others are behind the programme. It's not possible to judge progress on a contract of this size by looking at how busy the site it, or how much built structure has appeared. You'd have to sit down with the detailed, week-by-week programme and work it out. It would take hours and there are people being paid to do just that.

Thanks @davidmatzdorf , nice to know that I remembered the important bits and that the grey cell isn't quite dead yet!

 

[Bulletspur]

Compression ring going up on the North Stand.

Compression ring? Can you please explain to this dumb schmuck!

Seriously I don't know what this is

 

[Krule]

I guess with the North stand out of the way they will be able to really crack on with the new East and West stands, before the new South stand goes in, and then the roof starts in Jan/Feb 18 if I remember rightly from the schedule.
Exciting times

That's correct. I remember reading that if we don't see the roof start to go on in January then it's not on schedule.

 

[Adam456]

Compression ring? Can you please explain to this dumb schmuck!

Seriously I don't know what this is

+1

Sounds like a tourniquet

 

[duvfromabuv]

Compression ring? Can you please explain to this dumb schmuck!

Seriously I don't know what this is

now i'm not an expert but i think it's what you wear around your cock and balls to keep you hard

 

[duvfromabuv]

new camera angle on live stream 5 btw

 

[DanielCHillier]

new camera angle on live stream 5 btw

That's a fantastic angle, can almost imagine that as being sat in the top tier.

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

No more old WHL to look at. Cameras moved and its like, forget about that, look at the shiny new toy we are gonna have.

 

[Buggsy61]

That's a fantastic angle, can almost imagine that as being sat in the top tier.

Its brilliant - you can really start to get an appreciation of what view you are gong to get, and it does really hit home how high its going to be at the top tier.
Middle tier for me if I can get it - East Stand middle tier near to the South Stand (Park Lane) i.e back to the shelf where it all started for me 37 years ago!.