MOTD thread

[spursfan77]

Great red herring this one. Government must be pissing themselves. Made everyone forget about the cost of energy or food prices for a bit hasn’t it?

 

[Johnny J]

But to compare government policy/language to 1930's Germany is stupid and with a platform like his, a little dangerous too.

What's dangerous is the Home Secretary calling asylum seekers "an invasion" the day after someone firebombed a migrant holding centre. And what's been happening since then? Oh yes, racist protests and violence outside hotels housing migrants.

The government's "invaders" rhetoric about migrants is deliberately normalising a view that they're the enemy and to blame for the problems with housing, healthcare, jobs and so on.

 

[DarwinSpur]

Claiming asylum is not illegal immigration. It’s a universally recognised human right that the current policy seeks to strip away

Yes and there's a very nuanced and difficult debate to be had over the blurring of lines between true "Asylum seekers" and actual Illegal immigration - and the former being dispossessed by the latter.

But that place is not this thread. Nor was it my point. My point is very simple - we all know Lineker was calling the Govt policies Nazi and trying to deny that is utterly bizare and fruitless.

 

[DarwinSpur]

FWIW MOTD without Lineker and pundits and commentary sucks

 

[Thenewcat]

Yes and there's a very nuanced and difficult debate to be had over the blurring of lines between true "Asylum seekers" and actual Illegal immigration - and the former being dispossessed by the latter.

But that place is not this thread. Nor was it my point. My point is very simple - we all know Lineker was calling the Govt policies Nazi and trying to deny that is utterly bizare and fruitless.

You’re inferring it. He called the policy cruel and inhumane… which it is. He said the language was reminiscent of the nazis… which it is. The policy is ludicrous, unfair, a breach of international law and a national embarrassment but not similar to the holocaust or other nazi policies and neither Gary lineker or anyone else has suggested that it is

 

[bubble07]

I'm find Motd without commentary therapeutic. There should be this option every week

 

[DarwinSpur]

You’re inferring it. He called the policy cruel and inhumane… which it is. He said the language was reminiscent of the nazis… which it is. The policy is ludicrous, unfair, a breach of international law and a national embarrassment but not similar to the holocaust or other nazi policies and neither Gary lineker or anyone else has suggested that it is

Jesus fucking Christ stop making the argument "he called them Nazis but only a specific and limited type of nazi"

It's just weird

 

[Gassin's finest]

In b4 da lock, lol...

 

[mark87]

This is much better

 

[aRTy]

FWIW MOTD without Lineker and pundits and commentary sucks

I knew Linkeker and the other studio pundits had walked out, but had no idea the commentary team were gone. MOTD feels like the itv4 re-runs from the 80s.

I think it'd be fine without the hosts, but the commentary is needed.

 

[Johnny J]

This has been a good discussion today - will leave politics for the politics thread now.

 

[Thenewcat]

Jesus fucking Christ stop making the argument "he called them Nazis but only a specific and limited type of nazi"

It's just weird

Either the nuances of the English language are completely beyond you or you are being deliberately disingenuous. I’m not arguing he called them nazis of any kind because he didn’t. I couldn’t possibly be clearer on this point

 

[Thenewcat]

This has been a good discussion today - will leave politics for the politics thread now.

Yep I’m out now as well… at least until morning

 

[mark87]

I prefer it without commentary.

 

[leelee]

What's dangerous is the Home Secretary calling asylum seekers "an invasion" the day after someone firebombed a migrant holding centre. And what's been happening since then? Oh yes, racist protests and violence outside hotels housing migrants.

The government's "invaders" rhetoric about migrants is deliberately normalising a view that they're the enemy and to blame for the problems with housing, healthcare, jobs and so on.

Agreed. The government are not blameless here at all. I'm certainly no Tory supporter.

But my argument is with Lineker and words he used to criticise the policy. He should have apologised. Not for the criticism, but the comparison was wrong.

 

[McFlash]

Either the nuances of the English language are completely beyond you or you are being deliberately disingenuous. I’m not arguing he called them nazis of any kind because he didn’t. I couldn’t possibly be clearer on this point

He is Australian.

 

[Johnny J]

Agreed. The government are not blameless here at all. I'm certainly no Tory supporter.

But my argument is with Lineker and words he used to criticise the policy. He should have apologised. Not for the criticism, but the comparison was wrong.

Glad we've been able to discuss civilly, even though we disagree on some points.

 

[philll]

Agreed. The government are not blameless here at all. I'm certainly no Tory supporter.

But my argument is with Lineker and words he used to criticise the policy. He should have apologised. Not for the criticism, but the comparison was wrong.

But the post you quoted (and agreed with) perfectly encapsulates why what Lineker said was accurate.

The government's "invaders" rhetoric about migrants is deliberately normalising a view that they're the enemy and to blame for the problems with housing, healthcare, jobs and so on.

That's exactly what happened in 1930's Germany (referring specifically to Jews and not just "migrants"), which is the sum total of the point he was making.

 

[DarwinSpur]

He is Australian.

We are a blunt people. It helps when people like @Thenewcat is trying to split hairs so fine it's close to causing a fracture in space time.


"Oohh he just meant it was reminiscent of nazis not that they were actual nazis and certainly not about other things that nazis did..."

I mean... For goodness sake. Have some bloody self respect

 

[McFlash]

But the post you quoted (and agreed with) perfectly encapsulates why what Lineker said was accurate.

That's exactly what happened in 1930's Germany (referring specifically to Jews and not just "migrants"), which is the sum total of the point he was making.

I think people forget that the nazi party was a political party with views that many world leaders agreed and approved of, including Churchill, at the start.
Then they went batshit crazy.