Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[JacoZA]

According to ITK, we are looking to bring in 2 CMs in addition to Maddison

Surely not? Aren't you thinking of the two CDs? Or did I miss some ITK? (Entirely possible.)

EDIT: Apologies - I just saw the Dragon1 update. Yowzer! Anyone else worried that we could end up changing too much too quickly? I know there's a clear need, but we've all seen what happens when clubs replace half their squad in one go.

 

[HotSprut]

Surely not? Aren't you thinking of the two CDs? Or did I miss some ITK? (Entirely possible.)

EDIT: Apologies - I just saw the Dragon1 update. Yowzer! Anyone else worried that we could end up changing too much too quickly? I know there's a clear need, but we've all seen what happens when clubs replace half their squad in one go.

It's the start of a project; if we (the fans and the club) gives Ange and the team time I'm sure it'll be fine.

 

[spursfan77]

I can't find the quote right now, but in one interview a few years ago he said that a part of him wants to get rid of positions altogether, but that would be too crazy for the players. The implication was that he viewed applying his ideas -- quick passing, constant movement, aggressive pressing -- are more important than the "positions" individual players are assigned.

I’m sure Poch once said something similar during the time we were flying under him.

 

[RuskyM]

Surely not? Aren't you thinking of the two CDs? Or did I miss some ITK? (Entirely possible.)

EDIT: Apologies - I just saw the Dragon1 update. Yowzer! Anyone else worried that we could end up changing too much too quickly? I know there's a clear need, but we've all seen what happens when clubs replace half their squad in one go.

I'm still of the belief a lot of this current team hasn't shown its full ability - and we also need to give our youth a pathway. Some signings are needed, and Maddison/Vicario are a good start, but I'd be staggered if we signed more than maybe three more depending on outgoings. Think a lot will become clear over the next few weeks as Ange assesses the team firsthand.

 

[Shanks]

Honestly I don't think it says anything about our formation.

I think Postecoglou has a philosophy that dictates how he wants to play. He then will look to put players in spaces to take advantage of that philosophy.

It’s funny how we interpret information via these types of things, because my interpretation of everything I’ve read and seen about Ange is that he isn’t set in stone in how he plays, unlike a mourinho and conte who had their set formula of winning (formation/style), Ange comes across (to me anyway), a lot more flexible and his approach is about utilising strengths to win games, rather than set out a structure of formation to his way of thinking. So I’m not sure he’ll go with best players to fit his ‘formation’ but more so work to his players staremgtha to find ways of improving performance.

m the only thing we really know is that he likes to play on the front foot, attack and close down, so I’m expecting different formations and set ups to tailored to find weakness against the opposition and play to our advantage.

 

[Shanks]

Surely not? Aren't you thinking of the two CDs? Or did I miss some ITK? (Entirely possible.)

EDIT: Apologies - I just saw the Dragon1 update. Yowzer! Anyone else worried that we could end up changing too much too quickly? I know there's a clear need, but we've all seen what happens when clubs replace half their squad in one go.

Not worried, it’s needed.

what I am more worried is that the fan base won’t give him time to change the underlying culture though.

Mira going to take time, look across the road at arteta, everyone was calling for him to be sacked the year before lst but the club stayed with him and they then mounted a serious title challenge, seemingly their recruitment is also looking to close some of those gaps this year.

 

[spursfan77]

It’s funny how we interpret information via these types of things, because my interpretation of everything I’ve read and seen about Ange is that he isn’t set in stone in how he plays, unlike a mourinho and conte who had their set formula of winning (formation/style), Ange comes across (to me anyway), a lot more flexible and his approach is about utilising strengths to win games, rather than set out a structure of formation to his way of thinking. So I’m not sure he’ll go with best players to fit his ‘formation’ but more so work to his players staremgtha to find ways of improving performance.

m the only thing we really know is that he likes to play on the front foot, attack and close down, so I’m expecting different formations and set ups to tailored to find weakness against the opposition and play to our advantage.

I agree. Also throughout his career he’s played different formations so I’m not getting too bogged down in the fact he wants to sign x or y to play z position. So far he seems to want to bring in younger technical players comfortable on the ball and being able to play at pace. Everything the squad is crying out for. I’m wary of agreeing with those saying that he will set up in a formation like he did at Celtic or like he did for Australia. I’m sure he will have an idea of how best to utilise our players within a formation (which we don’t know yet) but the thinking behind how they behave on the pitch will be the same whatever it is.

 

[dj_stu]

I just hope that we don't automatically expect to get top 4 again in one season. There are so many good teams now, and I think a clear change of direction/vision, have a proper go at a cup, and top 6 would be a successful season.

I really don't want to see the entitled section of our fans getting on Ange and the players' backs if we don't immediately get back in the CL. This shit takes time in a proper league.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Udogie’s agent saying Ange will play 4-3-3. Could be a 4-2-3-1 type variant of 4-3-3 but he’s quoted as saying 4-3-3 so interesting as to how the squad shapes up.


“Udogie’s situation is clear,” agent Stefano Antonelli told Sky Sport Italia. “He is a Tottenham player and we had contact over the last few days because they changed management and the coach will play 4-3-3 rather than 3-5-2.

“Postecoglu is absolutely convinced that Udogie will have space, but the Italian clubs are calling because some feel he needs another step before making the move, perhaps in a top club like Juve, Milan or Inter.

“I received a call from the Tottenham technical area today and asked us to confirm the plan, which is to go on tour in Thailand. They guarantee the importance of the player as of today, and we will evaluate everything, but he is a Tottenham player.”

Also interesting re. Udogie’s future under Ange, on one hand his agent is saying he’s in Ange’s plans but on the other hand there is interest from the big Italian teams…

We shall see…

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I just hope that we don't automatically expect to get top 4 again in one season. There are so many good teams now, and I think a clear change of direction/vision, have a proper go at a cup, and top 6 would be a successful season.

I really don't want to see the entitled section of our fans getting on Ange and the players' backs if we don't immediately get back in the CL. This shit takes time in a proper league.

agree. I’d take 6-8th next season(ideally minimum 6th), some far improved style of play and a good run in the cups.

League is insanely competitive right now and we are still rebuilding but this time unlike the last 3 years we are re-building with a purpose and a plan so It’ll need some time to come together.

 

[Gassin's finest]

I can't find the quote right now, but in one interview a few years ago he said that a part of him wants to get rid of positions altogether, but that would be too crazy for the players. The implication was that he viewed applying his ideas -- quick passing, constant movement, aggressive pressing -- are more important than the "positions" individual players are assigned.

Sounds like Cruyff's Total Football.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Sounds like Cruyff's Total Football.

Which was one of the sides he and his dad used to love watching together on Tv.

Tbh Ange's style of football isn’t really like total football but it is high energy, lots of posession and movement and creativity, it’s about as close to the perfect Spurs DNA style of play you could hope for.

Really hoping we make a few exciting winger signings, I think Spurs have always been at our most enjoyable when we’ve had wingers who dazzle likes of Waddle,Anderton,Ginola, Bale & Lennon etc and give them freedom to attack and create.

 

[robin09]

Surely not? Aren't you thinking of the two CDs? Or did I miss some ITK? (Entirely possible.)

EDIT: Apologies - I just saw the Dragon1 update. Yowzer! Anyone else worried that we could end up changing too much too quickly? I know there's a clear need, but we've all seen what happens when clubs replace half their squad in one go.

We always have this optimism early in the window, sign a couple of players straight away. Last year was Perisic, Forster, Richarlison and we didn't end up getting all the positions we wanted in the end. We also had some deals that dragged out, like Spence. And then we wait for sales before we can make further purchases.

The variable here is, Ange plays a new system. So maybe that motivates Levy to be more proactive in getting fees agreed, and buying more before we sell. But I'm not sure it'll change the summer tactics that much.

Let's just temper our expectations, it's a good start, with more exciting targets named, but this is the pattern every summer. Look at liverpool and united, their fans are pissed off with inactivity. No club gets everything they want.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Surely not? Aren't you thinking of the two CDs? Or did I miss some ITK? (Entirely possible.)

EDIT: Apologies - I just saw the Dragon1 update. Yowzer! Anyone else worried that we could end up changing too much too quickly? I know there's a clear need, but we've all seen what happens when clubs replace half their squad in one go.

No.

 

[Japhet]

Surely not? Aren't you thinking of the two CDs? Or did I miss some ITK? (Entirely possible.)

EDIT: Apologies - I just saw the Dragon1 update. Yowzer! Anyone else worried that we could end up changing too much too quickly? I know there's a clear need, but we've all seen what happens when clubs replace half their squad in one go.

It is a bit of a concern, but Postecoglou has shown in the past that he's not scared to wield the axe and has done it very successfully. He's completely gutted teams in the past and rebuilt them very quickly.

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

Sounds like Cruyff's Total Football.

In current day the best example is ‘Dinizismo’.
Fernando Diniz, the Fluminense manager’s style of play.

Super exciting stuff and he’s breaking all of the unspoken rules of football that have formed over the last era.

Anyone with a bit of free time, I’d recommend looking into him

 

[robotsonic]

In current day the best example is ‘Dinizismo’.
Fernando Diniz, the Fluminense manager’s style of play.

Super exciting stuff and he’s breaking all of the unspoken rules of football that have formed over the last era.

Anyone with a bit of free time, I’d recommend looking into him

Watched some videos on his Fluminese a few weeks back. Very strange approach on the eye, but very interesting!

 

[Donki]

Udogie’s agent saying Ange will play 4-3-3. Could be a 4-2-3-1 type variant of 4-3-3 but he’s quoted as saying 4-3-3 so interesting as to how the squad shapes up.


“Udogie’s situation is clear,” agent Stefano Antonelli told Sky Sport Italia. “He is a Tottenham player and we had contact over the last few days because they changed management and the coach will play 4-3-3 rather than 3-5-2.

“Postecoglu is absolutely convinced that Udogie will have space, but the Italian clubs are calling because some feel he needs another step before making the move, perhaps in a top club like Juve, Milan or Inter.

“I received a call from the Tottenham technical area today and asked us to confirm the plan, which is to go on tour in Thailand. They guarantee the importance of the player as of today, and we will evaluate everything, but he is a Tottenham player.”

Also interesting re. Udogie’s future under Ange, on one hand his agent is saying he’s in Ange’s plans but on the other hand there is interest from the big Italian teams…

We shall see…

I think a lot will depend on how he does in training and preseason. If he performs he will have a place of not he will possibly go out on loan again. Agent just doing what an agent should do, keeping his clients options open.

 

[C0YS]

It’s funny how we interpret information via these types of things, because my interpretation of everything I’ve read and seen about Ange is that he isn’t set in stone in how he plays, unlike a mourinho and conte who had their set formula of winning (formation/style), Ange comes across (to me anyway), a lot more flexible and his approach is about utilising strengths to win games, rather than set out a structure of formation to his way of thinking. So I’m not sure he’ll go with best players to fit his ‘formation’ but more so work to his players staremgtha to find ways of improving performance.

m the only thing we really know is that he likes to play on the front foot, attack and close down, so I’m expecting different formations and set ups to tailored to find weakness against the opposition and play to our advantage.

I mean he's written a book and Im very tempted to get a copy. and he has done many interviews talking about his style and stuff. So we actually can know quite a lot. Formation is ways one of the least important things. But we know he will play a high line. We will build from the back, we will press and create overloads into the box. We also know that he likes to employ underlaping full backs, CMs that overlap, Forward players who press but dont track back so much. Etc. Etc. Etc. We also know he has very publically made it clear he only really knows how to play in one way.

Some of these are underlying principles, which are cant be compromised, others may be tactical things that can be changed depending on the team. Btw. We also knows he likes to make big changes in his first window and has no issues selling players who dont fit within his project.

Anyway. I have listened to a few podcasts and interviews, from different points of his career, watched celtic highlights, and that's mostly it. So I am not the most informed but theres tons of information out there and if you have the time you could actually know an awful lot about him.

 

[C0YS]

I mean he's written a book and Im very tempted to get a copy. and he has done many interviews talking about his style and stuff. So we actually can know quite a lot. Formation is ways one of the least important things. But we know he will play a high line. We will build from the back, we will press and create overloads into the box. We also know that he likes to employ underlaping full backs, CMs that overlap, Forward players who press but dont track back so much. Etc. Etc. Etc. We also know he has very publically made it clear he only really knows how to play in one way.

Some of these are underlying principles, which are cant be compromised, others may be tactical things that can be changed depending on the team. Btw. We also knows he likes to make big changes in his first window and has no issues selling players who dont fit within his project.

Anyway. I have listened to a few podcasts and interviews, from different points of his career, watched celtic highlights, and that's mostly it. So I am not the most informed but theres tons of information out there and if you have the time you could actually know an awful lot about him.

Just to share some of those podcasts


At Celtic

‎Open Goal - Football Show: ANGE POSTECOGLOU | Open Goal Meets... Celtic Manager on Apple Podcasts

‎Show Open Goal - Football Show, Ep ANGE POSTECOGLOU | Open Goal Meets... Celtic Manager - 22 Nov 2021

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‎Open Goal - Football Show: ANGE POSTECOGLOU | Open Goal Meets... Celtic Manager on Apple Podcasts

‎Show Open Goal - Football Show, Ep ANGE POSTECOGLOU | Open Goal Meets... Celtic Manager - 22 Nov 2021

podcasts.apple.com

‎Open Goal - Football Show: ANGE POSTECOGLOU | Open Goal Meets... Celtic Manager on Apple Podcasts

‎Show Open Goal - Football Show, Ep ANGE POSTECOGLOU | Open Goal Meets... Celtic Manager - 22 Nov 2021

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In japan

‎The Optus Sport Football Podcast on Apple Podcasts

‎Sport · 2024

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And the book he wrote.

Changing the Game: Postecoglou, Ange: 9780143797159: Amazon.com: Books

Changing the Game [Postecoglou, Ange] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Changing the Game

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Modest title.