Well said. I think Shaw has proved himself that if fit he's the best LB in the PL. However I would never swap Rose for Shaw at this time.
But if Rose wanted to move to a "bigger" club = earn more money, Shaw would be a good replacement since he played under Poch before.
I don't think he has ever been anywhere close to the form Rose has been in for the past 2 seasons. He's got a load of potential, but injuries have stifled him - he hasn't proved anything in my opinion.
Sorry but that's just completely wrong.
Look Squawka Comparison Matrix from when Shaw broke through at Southampton. You will see him winning all the categories. I remember Ben Davies was up there as well that one season where he played good and regularly.
Not that stats matters that much, but Shaw was playing amazing and was clear the best LB at the time in the PL, and yes he was up there were Rose is now. Difference is Shaw is only 21.
We'll have to disagree. I would look at attributes ahead of stats and there are only a couple I think peak Shaw has over Rose. Rose is faster, is more tenacious, has far far better stamina, is a better defender, is more of a goal threat and I think at the moment he is getting forward and crossing better than Shaw ever did.
I do agree that at the time he was the best left back in the country, but I'd attribute that to Poch's coaching and Southampton's well-drilled defensive unit as much as his own individual talent - though he did show his ability when he was actually fit enough to play for United eventually. You said he has proven that if he's fit he's the best LB in the PL, which just isn't proven at all for me (but obviously it's completely fine that you have your opinion etc). There isn't a left back in the world I'd take ahead of current Danny Rose and that certainly includes Luke Shaw.
Rose is faster? Must be untrue. Do you actually have any proof of this? Since I think Shaw is faster. I can find Shaw's with top speed of 34.13km/h. Rose not in top10 or 20 anywhere. I think Shaw has a better left foot aswell. The other things I can be okay with.
So playing 25 games in 12/13 and 35 games in 13/14 is not proving yourself, for you? Shaw was beasting the PL and that's why United bought him for enormous £30m at the time for a 18 year old left back.
But we disagree and that's fine.
With regards to the top speed, stats aren't going to show anything with that (e.g. http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co....test-players/story-29848686-detail/story.html) - Shaw has never looked fast at all to me, with Danny Rose being fairly rapid. I think Shaw is historically better at crossing and using his brain in advanced positions, but Rose has come a long way with that aspect.
I think he is proven as a very good player, but not proven that he's the best if he's fit. I think a lot of defenders seem to play the best football of their careers under Poch - our current batch included.
I guess a question might be, is Luke Shaw an upgrade on Ben Davies?
is LB where we need the most help? I dont think so - we already have three first team players that can play there when Verts is fit. Spend the money somewhere else.
My answer would be yes and I would replace him over Ben to be Rose's back up. Never been overly impressed with Ben especially as an attacking FB in a five man defenceI guess a question might be, is Luke Shaw an upgrade on Ben Davies?
Why would he come to us to be back up?