Jermain Defoe: The next goal.

[NEVILLEB]

Jermain Defoe. The next offside.

:rofl:

 

[nldnboi]

Really cannot comprehend some of the comments on here, we're talking about a striker that everybody used to love here. When he was bang on form (for many seasons) not one bad word was every said about him. It makes me think whether those who are making the bad comments are ones who have always thought he was an average player or ones that have just found another person to complain about.

 

[ethanedwards]

Really cannot comprehend some of the comments on here, we're talking about a striker that everybody used to love here. When he was bang on form (for many seasons) not one bad word was every said about him. It makes me think whether those who are making the bad comments are ones who have always thought he was an average player or ones that have just found another person to complain about.

Not every one loves players as some fanboys.
Are we not allowed to offer an opinion on a player, who cannot head a ball, take a penalty, score against the top teams, develop and adapt his skills.
I am sure he may well be a nice bloke, but is he the player you want to be our main striker next season.

 

[tooey]

Not every one loves players as some fanboys.
Are we not allowed to offer an opinion on a player, who cannot head a ball, take a penalty, score against the top teams, develop and adapt his skills.
I am sure he may well be a nice bloke, but is he the player you want to be our main striker next season.

Theres a difference between being a fanboy and showing some respect to a guy who's scored over 100 league goals for us and is clearly focused and fully commited to regaining his past form, and somebody who just likes a player because he has his name printed on the back of his shirt .

But in all serious, pointing out his short comings is one thing, making a mockery out of a player is another. He plays for the club that we support, therefor, should be supported. If he was angleing for a move, slagging off the managment and not putting in a decent shift on training ground then fair enough, but as far as I see it he obviously loves the club and the fans and is pretty aware that he isn't performing to the required standard.

 

[C0YS]

he's a nice guy, he has bad taste in women, cars and homes but so what. He's had the most appalling 18 months, now I care. Aside from injury there are 2 main faults with Defoe, too selfish and 1 dimensional (shift & shoot).

I love it when he does well as the guy is good but he's no great forward and we'd do better with Anelka than Defoe

I think his problam this season is he has not been selfish, the number of times he has passed when a confident Defoe would of shot is unbelievable. He needs to be more shift and shoot, less holding up the ball and escaping responsibility.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

It saddens me a little that we make this much of a mockery of a man who's scored 101 career goals for our club, to be honest...

He may be having a crap season and may well be off, but come on, a little respect? :roll:

I thought he came across really well.

All of these.

One thing I'd like to point out to people:

Towards the end of the 08/09 season, Palacios' brothers is murdered. After time off, he continues to play well until around halfway through 09/10. He then loses form quite dramatically and it has not really recovered to previous levels. Spurs fans, rightly, cut him quite a lot of slack.

Towards the end of the 08/09 seasons, Defoe's brother is murdered. After time off, he continues to play well until around halfway through 09/10. He then loses form quite dramatically and it has not really recovered to previous levels. Spurs fans cut him no slack whatsoever.

 

[SpursAtHart]

Thought he came across very sincere as wanting to do well with Spurs. But the bottom line is that we want a striker who scores goals. His career record surprised me:

SEASON PREMIER LEAGUE GOALS
2010/11 4
2009/10 18
2008/9 10
2007/8 12
2006/7 10
2005/6 9
2004/5 13

It seems he's not as good as alot of us think he is and the statistics pretty much prove that to get into the Champions League we need a striker who's going to score 18+ Premier League goals a season

 

[Azrael]

All of these.

One thing I'd like to point out to people:

Towards the end of the 08/09 season, Palacios' brothers is murdered. After time off, he continues to play well until around halfway through 09/10. He then loses form quite dramatically and it has not really recovered to previous levels. Spurs fans, rightly, cut him quite a lot of slack.

Towards the end of the 08/09 seasons, Defoe's brother is murdered. After time off, he continues to play well until around halfway through 09/10. He then loses form quite dramatically and it has not really recovered to previous levels. Spurs fans cut him no slack whatsoever.

I do think that people wouldn't be on his back as much if it wasn't for the fact that the other strikers have been shite as well.

But the comparison with Wilson is not appropriate IMO. Wilson is not a striker. Scoring goals is not his primary objective, whereas a striker is, arguably, a player of the greatest responsibility in a football club as it's his job to finish the job that the rest of the team started so if he fails, it doesn't matter how well the team plays as the wins won't come. Whereas, it is more possible to win matches with a weak midfield if your strikers are doing the business.

Furthermore, whilst Wilson went off the boil, I don't think he was totally awful, whereas 4 league goals for a top four aspiring side is most certainly awful.

Also, plenty of people have given Defoe a chance, including the manager, but that can only go on for so long. Sooner or later if a player is not performing you have to look elsewhere to bridge the deficit.

 

[mattstev2000]

Thought he came across very sincere as wanting to do well with Spurs. But the bottom line is that we want a striker who scores goals. His career record surprised me:

SEASON PREMIER LEAGUE GOALS
2010/11 4
2009/10 18
2008/9 10
2007/8 12
2006/7 10
2005/6 9
2004/5 13

It seems he's not as good as alot of us think he is and the statistics pretty much prove that to get into the Champions League we need a striker who's going to score 18+ Premier League goals a season

This is exactly the problem, it's not that he's just gone off the boil and is out of form it's that he's never been that good.

Even his 18 goal season had 8 of those goals in two games against Wigan and Hull.

He's an average striker that kind of found his level at Pompey. It was a mistake to resign him to be honest and we should definitely be looking for better this summer.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Az, I'm not defending Defoe's performance, I'm just displaying the fact that two players who went through alarmingly similar tragedies at almost the same time have been given completely different treatment by the fans. And while Wilson hasn't lost form as alarmingly, he's had some pretty shocking moments. I don't even mind the odd sloppy pass, I'm more concerned with the fact that he doesn't harry and fight with the same vigour of old. That's neither here nor there though because I'm not making a point about form, rather my point is about the treatment received. I've not once seen anybody make the excuse for Defoe 'well he is possibly distracted by what happened to his brother'. I've seen that for Wilson a few thousand times I reckon. The tragedies happened at similar times, the were both great for the first half for 09/10, the were both poor in the second half and they've both dipped further throughout the season we've just had and seen their chances similarly limited as a result. The fact that Defoe is a striker instead means the spotlight is on him more, but why on earth does that mean he is less entitles to a little understanding?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Matt, a few goals against the lower sides would have come in handy this season, no?

 

[mattstev2000]

Matt, a few goals against the lower sides would have come in handy this season, no?

8 in two games would have certainly made those two games more entertaining but I don't think it's really what we need. We need a bit more quality up front.

We need a Sheringham+Klinsmann or Keane+Berbatov esque partnership and unfortunately Defoe isn't on the same level as any of those players.

 

[michaelden]

Thought he came across very sincere as wanting to do well with Spurs. But the bottom line is that we want a striker who scores goals. His career record surprised me:

SEASON PREMIER LEAGUE GOALS
2010/11 4
2009/10 18 (9 of these were in 2 games)
2008/9 10
2007/8 12
2006/7 10
2005/6 9
2004/5 13

It seems he's not as good as alot of us think he is and the statistics pretty much prove that to get into the Champions League we need a striker who's going to score 18+ Premier League goals a season

When Defoe was injured and Crouch wasn't scoring & Pav was being sidelined by Harry many on here were calling for 20 goal a season Defoe to come and set our season alight. I knew he'd never do it. He's just not that good. We needed someone in Jan but Harry dicked about and now we need someone and to get rid of Defoe & Crouch.

I hope Sunderland are flush this window, we need to sell them a lot of players

 

[cusop]

I think the fact that so many fans have began to recognise why when Jol was in charge he sold Defoe and bought Bent, he expected Berbatov to go next as he new Berbatov wanted out. I think Defoe can hit 10-12 a season, but the has 2 issues. He gets injured, and he recovers with less pace

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Ramos sold Defoe.

 

[bomberH]

Just saw this. Enjoyed it and I personally hope he stays and proves the doubters wrong next season. All he needs is a good start to the season and I think he'll have a great one.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Just saw this. Enjoyed it and I personally hope he stays and proves the doubters wrong next season. All he needs is a good start to the season and I think he'll have a great one.

There's nothing wrong with Defoe that being a bit bigger, much stronger, more intelligent, more composed, more clinical and more hard working couldn't fix.

And learning the offside rule.

 

[mattstev2000]

There's nothing wrong with Defoe that being a bit bigger, much stronger, more intelligent, more composed, more clinical and more hard working couldn't fix.

And learning the offside rule.

:grin: