Janssen confident of bigger Tottenham role

[mawspurs]

Vincent Janssen is disappointed with his first season at Tottenham but remains confident of a bigger first-team role next term.

Read the full article at Evening Standard

 

[Chris_D]

I like this I think he's honest about not having a great season but he can do a job for us. He was unlucky Kane got such an early injury because it put him in the first team before he was ready. Towards the end of the season he looked a better player. Kane needs support I think he can do it.

 

[Krule]

I'm just not convinced he's what Spurs, in particular Harry Kane, need. He's scored in the last two Dutch friendlies recently but to be honest with the one against Morocco he had enough time to boil an egg before the nearest defender could pressurise him and tonight he scored but also missed an absolute sitter. The problem is that he doesn't get the time he needs on the ball in the Premiership compared to the Dutch league.Poch cannot afford to 'wait and see' with the CPL and another title challenge ahead.I'd let him go...what we need are established players now who have been and done it and can provide our young stars with a wise head and experienced advice. They don't come cheap but let's start looking in Harrods window instead of Poundland for a change.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

The problem is that he doesn't get the time he needs on the ball in the Premiership compared to the Dutch league.

That was the problem with Lamela and he overcame it. That was the problem with Son and he overcame it. That was the problem with Soldado and he did not overcome it.

You don't know until the player's second season in England whether he can deal with that. It took Lamela two years, Son one year and Soldado never.

They don't come cheap but let's start looking in Harrods window instead of Poundland for a change.

Whatever you think, that isn't going to happen. It isn't our policy anymore. The only time in recent years when we tried it, we ended up with Roberto Soldado. When we stopped trying it, we ended up with Harry Kane.

And the problem with "Harrods" strikers isn't the transfer fee, it's always the wages, which we do not pay at that level.

Repeating this wish online every week or two just ratchets up the sense of disappointment when it doesn't happen. It's a pointless venting of frustration.

 

[Krule]

Sorry if it's 'old ground' but I only joined tonight and finding my feet. With regard to wages surely at some time we have to bite the bullet ? Look at the wages of our top players compared to the rest of the Premiership. What happens if they come knocking Poch's door for a pay rise ?. Harry Kane on £100,000 a week is an absolute steal at the moment, as are Lloris, Alli, Eriksen etc. How long can we hold on to them before the big clubs come calling ?. You mention in your post 'disappointment' and 'frustration' with regard to transfers which I totally understand and agree with. Surely it's time to re-evaluate salaries before we start losing the players we have let alone attracting new ones ?

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

That was the problem with Lamela and he overcame it. That was the problem with Son and he overcame it. That was the problem with Soldado and he did not overcome it.

You don't know until the player's second season in England whether he can deal with that. It took Lamela two years, Son one year and Soldado never.



Whatever you think, that isn't going to happen. It isn't our policy anymore. The only time in recent years when we tried it, we ended up with Roberto Soldado. When we stopped trying it, we ended up with Harry Kane.

And the problem with "Harrods" strikers isn't the transfer fee, it's always the wages, which we do not pay at that level.

Repeating this wish online every week or two just ratchets up the sense of disappointment when it doesn't happen. It's a pointless venting of frustration.

I think if i am not mistaking Lamela is yet to be available for a full season since he joined us?

Irrespective of his talent a poor return on investment.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Sorry if it's 'old ground' but I only joined tonight and finding my feet. With regard to wages surely at some time we have to bite the bullet?

We can't do that until we have the increased turnover that the new stadium should provide. In accounting terms, total salaries should be limited to approx. 55% of turnover if you want to be seen to be running a sustainable business - and we have to do that, because we don't have the kind of rich hobbyist owner that Chelsea and Man City have - the ones the FFP regulations were ostensibly designed to control.

ENIC run THFC as a business and a long-term investment, not as a hobby or a toy. They don't subsidise the club, they invest in it.

With a 36k stadium, we couldn't increase wages without breaching the guidelines on turnover.

Look at the wages of our top players compared to the rest of the Premiership. What happens if they come knocking Poch's door for a pay rise ?. Harry Kane on £100,000 a week is an absolute steal at the moment, as are Lloris, Alli, Eriksen etc. How long can we hold on to them before the big clubs come calling ?. You mention in your post 'disappointment' and 'frustration' with regard to transfers which I totally understand and agree with. Surely it's time to re-evaluate salaries before we start losing the players we have let alone attracting new ones ?

There's no sign of that at present, because the players have a team ethic and love working with the manager. Also, they can see that we are taking steps to become one of those "big clubs" - we have the training facilities and we are building the stadium.

In practice, I suspect that the answer to your question is "about two more years". If we start winning things, it will be longer.

Also, the salaries limit at Tottenham is not quite what it seems. The base salaries are lower than the other top-7 clubs, but there is a hefty series of performance bonuses and incentives.

There has also been a highly visible and pro-active practice of offering improving young players substantial salary increases in exchange for contract extensions. It's harder to demand £100k/week when you've just been rewarded with an increase from £30k to £70k.

 

[Krule]

Many thanks for that detailed and informative reply...much appreciated.

 

[dickieven]

Surely it's time to re-evaluate salaries before we start losing the players we have let alone attracting new ones ?

We are not to suddenly break our salary policy. We are funding a new stadium andwill not see the benefits of the increased capacity and revenue for a number of years. Also we need to ensure we do not piss off the existing players by offering silly salaries to new transfers in.

Our success over the past couple of seasons has been due to our strength as a team and everyone playing for each other. We must do all we can to keep this unity.

 

[Krule]

I read Matthew Collecott who is director of finance and operations in a Bloomberg report regarding new stadium and transfers. He stated "This is not going to touch the football, these are two very seperate budgets " which I thought was good news. I totally agree about sorting out existing players first but the matter needs addressing soon. Unity is wonderful but the desire for success and salary parity slowly erodes it. As stated by another member above, within two seasons unless silverware is collected then perhaps some of the squad will get itchy feet.....just a thought. I don't wish to appear negative, just realistic.

 

[Jadon Benjamin]

I'd even say keep him around, maybe loan him out, he is still very young and will come good in time. I'd argue we need a striker than can challenge Kane and bring experience to the team. I'd go for a striker in their 30's with good champion's league experience. Someone we'd keep for maybe a season or 2 then let go, by then Janssen would be ready for a bigger role as the article suggests.

I'm just not convinced he's what Spurs, in particular Harry Kane, need. He's scored in the last two Dutch friendlies recently but to be honest with the one against Morocco he had enough time to boil an egg before the nearest defender could pressurise him and tonight he scored but also missed an absolute sitter. The problem is that he doesn't get the time he needs on the ball in the Premiership compared to the Dutch league.Poch cannot afford to 'wait and see' with the CPL and another title challenge ahead.I'd let him go...what we need are established players now who have been and done it and can provide our young stars with a wise head and experienced advice. They don't come cheap but let's start looking in Harrods window instead of Poundland for a change.

 

[tiger666]

I'd even say keep him around, maybe loan him out, he is still very young and will come good in time. I'd argue we need a striker than can challenge Kane and bring experience to the team. I'd go for a striker in their 30's with good champion's league experience. Someone we'd keep for maybe a season or 2 then let go, by then Janssen would be ready for a bigger role as the article suggests.

I can't think of a striker in their 30's that can challenge Kane. Not one we can afford anyway.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Many thanks for that detailed and informative reply...much appreciated.

When David replies it's never short n' sweet.

 

[Jadon Benjamin]

RE


I can't think of a striker in their 30's that can challenge Kane. Not one we can afford anyway.

Jermain Defoe, Robin van Persie, Emmanuel Adebayor, Roberto Soldado. The list is endless!