Jake Daniels (Blackpool) comes out as gay

[werty]

Don't know if this is the right place to put this.

Idrissa Gueye refused to play for PSG at the weekend because they put a LGBTQ+ symbol on their jersey. He did the same last year. Three Premier League (Kouyate from Crystal Palace, Sarr from Watford and Mendy from Leicester) players have come out and defended him and backed his decision.

Will be interested if anything will be done to them.

 

[Syn_13]

Don't know if this is the right place to put this.

Idrissa Gueye refused to play for PSG at the weekend because they put a LGBTQ+ symbol on their jersey. He did the same last year. Three Premier League (Kouyate from Crystal Palace, Sarr from Watford and Mendy from Leicester) players have come out and defended him and backed his decision.

Will be interested if anything will be done to them.

Intolerant pricks. Fuck them.

So one of the problems I can foresee with the increase in LGBTQ+ awareness in football is a clash with religious beliefs. As a quick disclaimer I just want to say that I'm not doing a critique on religion, nor am I saying that religious beliefs have fuelled Gueye's opinions. I am, however, pointing out that religion and LGBTQ+ rights don't often mix well and it's going to cause a lot of friction.

A lot of footballers are incredibly religious to the point where they show it on and off the pitch. We often see goal celebrations where Christians will point to the sky or Muslims will bow on their knees, and we've seen a lot of social media posts from players that like to do the whole "thanks god for blessing me with skills" stuff. Now there's no issue with that at all, it's their belief, but I'm wondering how many players out there are going to significantly oppose the LGBTQ+ movement.

Most people assume it's fan abuse that stops players from wanting to come out, but I reckon a large part of it is the way their peers will treat them too. Religion's going to play a part in that.

 

[Sierragls]

Intolerant pricks. Fuck them.

So one of the problems I can foresee with the increase in LGBTQ+ awareness in football is a clash with religious beliefs. As a quick disclaimer I just want to say that I'm not doing a critique on religion, nor am I saying that religious beliefs have fuelled Gueye's opinions. I am, however, pointing out that religion and LGBTQ+ rights don't often mix well and it's going to cause a lot of friction.

A lot of footballers are incredibly religious to the point where they show it on and off the pitch. We often see goal celebrations where Christians will point to the sky or Muslims will bow on their knees, and we've seen a lot of social media posts from players that like to do the whole "thanks god for blessing me with skills" stuff. Now there's no issue with that at all, it's their belief, but I'm wondering how many players out there are going to significantly oppose the LGBTQ+ movement.

Most people assume it's fan abuse that stops players from wanting to come out, but I reckon a large part of it is the way their peers will treat them too. Religion's going to play a part in that.

I’m just playing devils advocate here, but if he isn’t coming out and actively speaking out against LGBTQ, they who are we to say what he sound and shouldn’t believe in. He has asked not to play as it’s against he religious beliefs, but hasn’t come out speaking out against it, so if we should respect LGBTQ then why shouldn’t we respect his decision, what do we want a fake apology just to appease people who think he’s wrong? Again Im just playing devils advocate, I just don’t like the fact they unless someone’s view conforms with the current popular opinion, it makes them wrong!

 

[freeeki]

Don't know if this is the right place to put this.

Idrissa Gueye refused to play for PSG at the weekend because they put a LGBTQ+ symbol on their jersey. He did the same last year. Three Premier League (Kouyate from Crystal Palace, Sarr from Watford and Mendy from Leicester) players have come out and defended him and backed his decision.

Will be interested if anything will be done to them.

I support Gueye’s freedom of expression.

I don’t believe anyone should be forced to wear a symbol that fundamentally sits at odds with their own morality.

This is the danger of endless unhelpful symbolic posturing and thinking we’re achieving anything whatsoever by slapping rainbows on everything - eventually someone won’t want to take part, and they’ll be ostracised for it.

 

[nferno]

Don't know if this is the right place to put this.

Idrissa Gueye refused to play for PSG at the weekend because they put a LGBTQ+ symbol on their jersey. He did the same last year. Three Premier League (Kouyate from Crystal Palace, Sarr from Watford and Mendy from Leicester) players have come out and defended him and backed his decision.

Will be interested if anything will be done to them.

Gueye is against gays… the irony ???

 

[Atomic Blonde]

That's not the point though is it, he is allowed to have his 'freedom of expression ' and we are allowed to criticise him for it.

This issue is also not a simple case of 'freedom of speech' because his stance is essentially an infringement on the rights of another minority. Gay people are oppressed even in the liberal west, never mind places like Senegal, so his stance perpetuates this oppression.

Him, and those who support him will ensure that Jake Daniels will remain alone as an openly gay player in the UK.

 

[newbie]

I hope it benefits his life and career rather than hinders it, times have changed, i hope its embraced as if fans get homophobic towards the damage it will do to other people who just want to come out will be horrible.
Being gay should be an issue in life.

 

[Annabel]

I support Gueye’s freedom of expression.

I don’t believe anyone should be forced to wear a symbol that fundamentally sits at odds with their own morality.

This is the danger of endless unhelpful symbolic posturing and thinking we’re achieving anything whatsoever by slapping rainbows on everything - eventually someone won’t want to take part, and they’ll be ostracised for it.

That is a nuanced and very sensible view. I agree with it absolutely.

At one point, some Muslim cricketers in the IPL were putting black tape over the Captain Morgan rum sponsors logo.​

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Some religious sports people don't want to wear rainbow laces or symbols.​

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Some people don't want to wear a poppy for political reasons.​

I may disagree with all those stances but people are allowed to have their own opinions and freedom of expression within the broadest bounds. That's what free speech is all about.

 

[newbie]

That is a nuanced and very sensible view. I agree with it absolutely.

At one point, some Muslim cricketers in the IPL were putting black tape over the Captain Morgan rum sponsors logo.​

​

Some religious sports people don't want to wear rainbow laces or symbols.​

​

Some people don't want to wear a poppy for political reasons.​

I may disagree with all those stances but people are allowed to have their own opinions and freedom of expression within the broadest bounds. That's what free speech is all about.

The poppy is not a political statement it's about remembrance and hope!

Dont make it one!

 

[freeeki]

That's not the point though is it, he is allowed to have his 'freedom of expression ' and we are allowed to criticise him for it.

This issue is also not a simple case of 'freedom of speech' because his stance is essentially an infringement on the rights of another minority. Gay people are oppressed even in the liberal west, never mind places like Senegal, so his stance perpetuates this oppression.

Him, and those who support him will ensure that Jake Daniels will remain alone as an openly gay player in the UK.

Idrissa Gueye is not infringing any of my rights if he refuses to wear a rainbow symbol on a football shirt.

Not one.

Of all the rights my community have fought for, “the right to compel footballers to wear our symbols even if they don’t want to” was never on the list.

Refusing to wear a rainbow symbol does not oppress anyone.

Gueye has not said a single word against the LGBT community, he has not argued against anyone’s rights and he hasn’t disrespected anyone.

To accuse him of somehow being some kind of malevolent oppressor for not wanting to wear the rainbow symbol is ridiculous, and makes us look irrational, tyrannical and absolutist.

Not in my name. Not now, not ever.

 

[Annabel]

The poppy is not a political statement it's about remembrance and hope!

Dont make it one!

I agree with you. But some people disagree with us & they're fine to do so.

 

[muppetman]

That is a nuanced and very sensible view. I agree with it absolutely.

At one point, some Muslim cricketers in the IPL were putting black tape over the Captain Morgan rum sponsors logo.​

​

Some religious sports people don't want to wear rainbow laces or symbols.​

​

Some people don't want to wear a poppy for political reasons.​

I may disagree with all those stances but people are allowed to have their own opinions and freedom of expression within the broadest bounds. That's what free speech is all about.

Agreed, I'd much rather have a discussion brought about by someone disagreeing than just shouting them down. There is however something about the coverage being proportionate, an example being James McClean and the poppy stuff - it's worth discussing and looking at why he feels that way, but it got way too much space (as it caused outrage for some).

 

[h2005]

The poppy is not a political statement it's about remembrance and hope!

Dont make it one!

The horse has already bolted on that one!

 

[Atomic Blonde]

Idrissa Gueye is not infringing any of my rights if he refuses to wear a rainbow symbol on a football shirt.

Not one.

Of all the rights my community have fought for, “the right to compel footballers to wear our symbols even if they don’t want to” was never on the list.

Refusing to wear a rainbow symbol does not oppress anyone.

Gueye has not said a single word against the LGBT community, he has not argued against anyone’s rights and he hasn’t disrespected anyone.

To accuse him of somehow being some kind of malevolent oppressor for not wanting to wear the rainbow symbol is ridiculous, and makes us look irrational, tyrannical and absolutist.

Not in my name. Not now, not ever.

I didn't say he was opressing anyone though did I? I just that his decision will give ammunition and justification to those who do, as you will be well aware of if you look at the social media reaction.

Also, you are giving him too much credit. If he really had such passionate 'religious beliefs', then his previous decisions to wear Everton shirts with gambling and alcohol sponsors on them makes him, at best, a hypocrite and at worst, someone who cherry picks parts of the religion that discriminates against others.

 

[freeeki]

I didn't say he was opressing anyone though did I? I just that his decision will give ammunition and justification to those who do, as you will be well aware of if you look at the social media reaction.

Also, you are giving him too much credit. If he really had such passionate 'religious beliefs', then his previous decisions to wear Everton shirts with gambling and alcohol sponsors on them makes him, at best, a hypocrite and at worst, someone who cherry picks parts of the religion that discriminates against others.

Fine, that’s a matter between him and whichever god he worships.

It’s certainly nothing to do with me.

And I’m fairly sure that those who seek to actively oppress others, are capable of finding far more powerful ammunition than “bloke refuses to wear shirt”.

 

[Syn_13]

I’m just playing devils advocate here, but if he isn’t coming out and actively speaking out against LGBTQ, they who are we to say what he sound and shouldn’t believe in. He has asked not to play as it’s against he religious beliefs, but hasn’t come out speaking out against it, so if we should respect LGBTQ then why shouldn’t we respect his decision, what do we want a fake apology just to appease people who think he’s wrong? Again Im just playing devils advocate, I just don’t like the fact they unless someone’s view conforms with the current popular opinion, it makes them wrong!

Very fair point mate.

 

[ERO]

I hope it benefits his life and career rather than hinders it, times have changed, i hope its embraced as if fans get homophobic towards the damage it will do to other people who just want to come out will be horrible.
Being gay should not be normal in life.

Is this what you meant to say?

 

[rossdapep]

Idrissa Gueye is not infringing any of my rights if he refuses to wear a rainbow symbol on a football shirt.

Not one.

Of all the rights my community have fought for, “the right to compel footballers to wear our symbols even if they don’t want to” was never on the list.

Refusing to wear a rainbow symbol does not oppress anyone.

Gueye has not said a single word against the LGBT community, he has not argued against anyone’s rights and he hasn’t disrespected anyone.

To accuse him of somehow being some kind of malevolent oppressor for not wanting to wear the rainbow symbol is ridiculous, and makes us look irrational, tyrannical and absolutist.

Not in my name. Not now, not ever.

Brilliant explanation and reasoning.

It would be very different if he had come out and said something, but he hasn't.

I think it's sad that people are being punished because they won't 'fall in line'. This is a very very slippery slope.

 

[newbie]

Is this what you meant to say?

oops you are right i meant should be normal in life, thank you.

i hate homophobia is what i meant

 

[freeeki]

oops you are right i meant should be normal in life, thank you.

i hate homophobia is what i meant

Same, although every now and then I do flirt with the idea of making it compulsory