Intresting News RE Ramsey

[Luka Lennon]

i have to agree with you , if he was not at the scum and over hyped by the press would we even have heard of him ? no

we have better players than him , lets focus on who with have rather than who we could of

well yes because when he was at Cardiff he was a highly rated youngster being persued by some of the best teams in England

 

[ginol@14]

well yes because when he was at Cardiff he was a highly rated youngster being persued by some of the best teams in England

all im saying is that this is a spurs fansite , why go on about a ar5ena1 player that is not as good as most of our midfielders ? god that kid is over rated ,sick of the love in the scum get from the press and tv commentators , hopefully this lad will have a bad run of games and wenger will replace him with another frenchman
that club is a disgrace ,dont big there players up over here , its bad enough hearing it all the time on tv

 

[Luka Lennon]

all im saying is that this is a spurs fansite , why go on about a ar5ena1 player that is not as good as most of our midfielders ? god that kid is over rated ,sick of the love in the scum get from the press and tv commentators , hopefully this lad will have a bad run of games and wenger will replace him with another frenchman
that club is a disgrace ,dont big there players up over here , its bad enough hearing it all the time on tv

all I'm saying is my dislike for all things arsenil doesn't overshadow my judgement of their players

they do have some very overhyped players like walnutt and bender but this kid ramsey looks like he could be the real deal

 

[spursandbarca]

it means bugger all. dos santos was the next ronaldinho.

 

[ginol@14]

all I'm saying is my dislike for all things arsenil doesn't overshadow my judgement of their players

they do have some very overhyped players like walnutt and bender but this kid ramsey looks like he could be the real deal

fair enough ,i was not having a pop at you personally, i just feel like we have some bloody good players at spurs and because we are not a "top 4 sky club" they dont get the credit that arsenal /chelsea /utd players do , i have watched him many times and for every game he plays well there will be 2 or 3 where you dont even realise he is playing. funny thing is that however good he may or may not be he would be nowhere near our first team squad if he had signed for us ! there are 4 or 5 much better players than him in our squad in his position ,not saying in the future he wont be class but so could one of our youngsters like bostock or townsend (fingers crossed)

 

[DJS]

Well I'm just getting confused, which Welsh lad lives with who...? :think:

 

[Hoowl]

Ramsy does look good but you can't really compare his current development with the likes of Bostock. Bostock had played a handful of games for Palace when we signed him and hadn't really broken into their team. Ramsy had a fully season under his belt for Cardif and was already an international. Hopefully Bostock will go on to make it into our team but I can fully understand why we've sent him on loan. Also, he's not always in the Brentford 11 so I don't think we should develop too high a level of expectation yet. Sometimes Arsenal choose to play their youngsters becuase they are actually very good players already. We have hyped up players like Mason and Parrett but our youth team was soundly beaten by theirs last year. Hopefully some of our youth talent with make it but look at Huddlestone, he's only starting to become a regular at 23. It's much the smae with the likes of Gibson at United. I think exceptional talents like Rooney and Fabregas have raised expectation of young players to an unrealistically level.

 

[Alfieconnman]

Ramsy does look good but you can't really compare his current development with the likes of Bostock. Bostock had played a handful of games for Palace when we signed him and hadn't really broken into their team. Ramsy had a fully season under his belt for Cardif and was already an international. Hopefully Bostock will go on to make it into our team but I can fully understand why we've sent him on loan. Also, he's not always in the Brentford 11 so I don't think we should develop too high a level of expectation yet. Sometimes Arsenal choose to play their youngsters becuase they are actually very good players already. We have hyped up players like Mason and Parrett but our youth team was soundly beaten by theirs last year. Hopefully some of our youth talent with make it but look at Huddlestone, he's only starting to become a regular at 23. It's much the smae with the likes of Gibson at United. I think exceptional talents like Rooney and Fabregas have raised expectation of young players to an unrealistically level.

Neatly stated and repped accordingly. :clap:

 

[sunnydelight786]

Would Ramsey have developed aswell at Tottenham as he has done at Arse....? On the flip side of the coin how do you think Bostock/Bale would have been developing right now if they had signed for Arse in the summer of 08 and 07....?

For me Ramsey made the correct choice as Wenger has shown, and proven, that he is a great developer of players with huge potential......!

 

[worcestersauce]

well yes because when he was at Cardiff he was a highly rated youngster being persued by some of the best teams in England

This is the basis of the arsenal great young player myth, Wenger doesn't take young players and make them good, he takes the best youngsters and coaches them in the arsenal system.
Ramsey is a terrific player but that has nothing whatever to do with arsenal it's to do with Cardiff City and the young Welsh setup.
Arsene Wenger plucks already recognised young players and because they play to a system in the youth team they fit easily into the first team playing a simple pass and move game which makes them look even more gifted for their age.
I am not being detrimental to the arseanl I am just trying to explain why, in my opinion, their youngsters always look better than other team's and why in the end their eventual quality doesn't quite match their early potential.


Edit: Sunnydelight'
Yes I believe he would he just wouldn't necessarily be playing in the first team as we have sufficient players there already.
What we would do however is develop the player not just coach him to fit the system we play, that is a very important distinction.

 

[WhiteStripe]

He's class, but we have Bostock, who looks like he could be better.

Sorry, George, I disagree. I don't think, on current evidence we can say this. Bostock has promise, but is nowhere near EPL game time unless we are desperate. Ramsey is knocking on the first team door every week at Arsenal, and looks a very mature player for his age. Bostock, when I have seen him, looks good, but nowhere near as mature as Ramsey.

 

[sunnydelight786]

Ramsy does look good but you can't really compare his current development with the likes of Bostock. Bostock had played a handful of games for Palace when we signed him and hadn't really broken into their team. Ramsy had a fully season under his belt for Cardif and was already an international. Hopefully Bostock will go on to make it into our team but I can fully understand why we've sent him on loan. Also, he's not always in the Brentford 11 so I don't think we should develop too high a level of expectation yet. Sometimes Arsenal choose to play their youngsters becuase they are actually very good players already. We have hyped up players like Mason and Parrett but our youth team was soundly beaten by theirs last year. Hopefully some of our youth talent with make it but look at Huddlestone, he's only starting to become a regular at 23. It's much the smae with the likes of Gibson at United. I think exceptional talents like Rooney and Fabregas have raised expectation of young players to an unrealistically level.

Hoowl Ramsey played only 15 league games and 5 cup games for Cardiff before he signed for Arse. That's hardly a full season in the Championship seeing they play 48 odd league games.

 

[worcestersauce]

Sorry, George, I disagree. I don't think, on current evidence we can say this. Bostock has promise, but is nowhere near EPL game time unless we are desperate. Ramsey is knocking on the first team door every week at Arsenal, and looks a very mature player for his age. Bostock, when I have seen him, looks good, but nowhere near as mature as Ramsey.

Actually I think you may agree with Kendall who said Bostock looks like he could be better; you say he's not as mature as Ramsey, that may be the case but it means that it may only be the maturity that is the difference and as Bostock matures he will become better than Ramsey which is what Kendall said.:-|

 

[WhiteStripe]

Actually I think you may agree with Kendall who said Bostock looks like he could be better; you say he's not as mature as Ramsey, that may be the case but it means that it may only be the maturity that is the difference and as Bostock matures he will become better than Ramsey which is what Kendall said.:-|

Nope, I know I came across a little unclear. But my current opinion is that Ramsey will be a better all round player than Bostock. Although I think comparing them is like comparing David Ginola and Alan Shearer. Very different players.

 

[Hoowl]

Hoowl Ramsey played only 15 league games and 5 cup games for Cardiff before he signed for Arse. That's hardly a full season in the Championship seeing they play 48 odd league games.

Sorry, my statement was wrong.

 

[Kendall]

Actually I think you may agree with Kendall who said Bostock looks like he could be better; you say he's not as mature as Ramsey, that may be the case but it means that it may only be the maturity that is the difference and as Bostock matures he will become better than Ramsey which is what Kendall said.:-|

Indeed. My point is that we bought Bostock later and he has potential to reach where Ramsay is now. I'm not saying he will, but Bostock is the risk we took after we decided not to go for Ramsay. There's no point in saying "blast, we could've had Ramsay!" when we have our own promising players who have been winning things all over Europe.

Ramsay wouldn't be getting into our team yet had we bought him and I say that with confidence. Bale was more experienced at both international and club level when we bought him, and he's not even broken through for us yet.

 

[Kendall]

Nope, I know I came across a little unclear. But my current opinion is that Ramsey will be a better all round player than Bostock. Although I think comparing them is like comparing David Ginola and Alan Shearer. Very different players.

Not really. They're both creative midfielders.

 

[Kendall]

Well I'm just getting confused, which Welsh lad lives with who...? :think:

It was well documented that Gunter and Ramsey were flatmates

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...ther-are-flocking-together-in-91466-22425013/

Obviously with Gunter now at Forest, Ramsey has probably moved

 

[WhiteStripe]

Not really. They're both creative midfielders.

On paper maybe, but watcging the two of them play, they are very different.

 

[Kendall]

They would be in direct competition for a place in the side. So nothing like comparing Shearer to Ginola.

Don't make me hurt you.