Dirtysanchez6
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Well see
Harry Winks - Leicester City
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JUSTINSIGNAL
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Wadec
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Think Winks is a good player and if we are going to play a diamond can fill either central roles. However he does not have the ability to play the deeper role. I think watching winks play there makes you appreciate the top DM's in world football.
Sadly I feel he will be a bench player when everyone is up to speed though.
Sadly I feel he will be a bench player when everyone is up to speed though.
King of Otters
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Definitely a good player, but he’s part of the problem for me at the moment. There’s no point having a deep lying metronome who’s primary concern is to retain possession when the opposition are camped on the edge of their own box for 90 minutes.
Wadec
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Dont feel he is particularly helped with Sanchez playing at LCB either. Feel if Jan was there the options for us would be better moving the ball forward. As things stand the only player who moves it forward when we are in possession is Toby. Sanchez and Winks are too passive.
Yet Poch perseveres with it.
Winks is a decent player but he isn’t good enough to be a regular starter. Anyway I hold Poch responsible because he keeps picking him. Either Winks is doing exactly what Poch wants him to do, so the blame is with Poch, or Winks is just what he is showing as a player and Poch likes what he sees, so the issue is still with Poch.
A new manager will be the end of Winks. I’m sure of it, or he will make Winks a much better player, someone who is good enough to start regularly and contributes properly to a system, but I think it will be the former.
Cambridge Spur
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Nothing against Winks personally but he is just another ball recycler to me. It’s one of the things that I dislike about the modern game. These types of players are two a penny, ‘stats’ players. I’d much rather a two man midfield with a specialist defensive midfielder and another who can drive us forward. With current options, Dier and Ndombele.
Spot on. The other thing is he doesn’t have the defensive nous or physicality to play DM, yet that is the space he occupies.
The more I think about it, the more I think we are a complete mess and Poch, the way he is playing and setting up every game is truly bizarre. He’s lost the plot.
Wadec
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Completely agree, I cant help but think this is a Poch project to make Winks his own De Jong. Give me Dier over Winks in that position every day.
Yep. This is what I keep saying to everyone on here, if Winks is only in the side to recycle the ball, why not play Dier instead? Because Dier is capable of doing the same 5 yard passes sideways and back, yet Dier also offers some physicality and can screen and protect. I’m not A Dier fan really but I think we would have better balance. Dier can also drop back in CB when needed.
Then we can play NDombele next to Dier who can carry the ball forward and actually pass forward incisively. We have both defensive and attacking bases covered with those two.
mpickard2087
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Before this though the vast majority view was 'we don't need a defensive midfielder in these types of games'.
Round and round and round we'll go.....
Round and round and round we'll go.....
BigVic
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Nah Carroll was complete and utter dog shit.
arunspurs
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Winks has limitations and not a complete midfielder.
He can't assist or score. What he is good at is, keeping the ball and playing under high press.
He becomes a limitation against teams that parks the bus and we have no movement ahead.
Play him in big games, where opponent comes out to attack.
Or
Play him against teams that park the bus...but only if, we also play a Dele like player who makes the off the ball runs...so Winks could pass & move to the vacated space and keep the move going
Do not play him against teams that park the bus and we have no player in XI to make the off the ball runs...
He can't assist or score. What he is good at is, keeping the ball and playing under high press.
He becomes a limitation against teams that parks the bus and we have no movement ahead.
Play him in big games, where opponent comes out to attack.
Or
Play him against teams that park the bus...but only if, we also play a Dele like player who makes the off the ball runs...so Winks could pass & move to the vacated space and keep the move going
Do not play him against teams that park the bus and we have no player in XI to make the off the ball runs...
You always need a player who can track runs and put his foot in. Liverpool have Fabinho, he’s actually a good passer too but he’s a unit and gets stuck in. He also reads the game well defensively.
City have Rodri who can pass and tackle like crazy.
We play Winks who is lightweight, no defensive nous etc etc
Why do we need off the ball runners for Winks? Winks can’t find the runners, he doesn’t have the vision or execution in his passing.
arunspurs
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IMO, Winks game is about pass & move. For a effective Winks performance, he needs the space to run &keep the moves going. His near MoM performance at Camp Nou is a best example of this. Against team that parks the bus, he has no space & doesnt have a plan B. From what I have seen, he plays well (or entire team plays well), when a fit Dele is in the XI , making off the ball runs.
I respect your opinion, but I feel he is a player who excels at nothing. He doesn’t get into my first 11. Squad player and that’s it. Big mistake by Poch making him his first pick in there.
mpickard2087
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So to play him there we need to be compact and positionally sound, and pressing well in order for him/anyone in midfield not to be chasing about trying to cover huge distances.
I don't dispute that he's not as his best so far this season, he doesn't look he's firing on all cylinders, his touch is a bit heavy/off and he's a little leaden footed and playing a bit too conservatively, but midfield at the moment is a tough ask for us with a dysfunctional attacking possession game where the attack is detached from the rest of the team (see my post in the tactical autopsy thread for more on what I mean by that) and that we're wide open as a team in the last 12 months, with an awful press and so easy for the opposition to play through.
We've seen the likes of Dier and Wanyama playing in this malfunctioning team with huge gaps around them through midfield and no real press going on in front of them, they were getting violated sans lube. It was a crime scene. No one who plays there has any chance for us currently.
Snarfalicious
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Think the difference is how frail we’ve become in defense as a unit. Our fullbacks are no longer a strength and a defensive midfielder could allow for more creative players (Eriksen, Lo Celso, Ndombele) the freedom to make things happen but also provide a better foundation and cover for the aforementioned defensive frailties by dropping in to defend as needed.
