Harry Kane

[Timberwolf]

I think next season the outcome will probably be pretty similar regardless of whether he stays or he goes.

- If he stays he scores a shitload cos he's a world class striker and Ange will adapt to his strengths, but we'll sacrifice a bit of what's made Ange's style of football so successful in the process.
- If he leaves we can play a bit more to the system's strengths and start building towards the inevitable life without Kane by investing the money and getting used to a world without him.

Honestly don't think our position in the table will be that different whether he stays or goes next season as we're in transition and we probably won't get Champions League either way. Hence I reckon we should probably just cash in now and at least sell him abroad and have some money to reinvest.

Plus we can end the fucking tiresome debate and speculation once and for all.

 

[dj_stu]

I just don't see a world where we are better off without Kane. We've moaned and moaned and moaned in here about the last couple of managers being inflexible with their tactics and systems, and that should be exactly the same for Ange. If he's not capable of tweaking his system to fit in the best CF in world football he can join Jose and Conte for my money.

Fact is that is not the type of manager he is. I think too many are looking at his Celtic side and thinking he's going to set us up as a carbon copy yet he's said very clearly he's open to playing different systems to suit his playing staff and I'm sure he'd figure a way of playing his way with Harry.

If he goes he goes but no one can convince me it would be for the best interests of our team.

That's definitely a reasonable point of view and I'd love to be proven wrong with Harry staying, we score more goals than ever and somehow concede less with a non-pressing striker, win a trophy, and Harry signs a new contract to finish his career with us with his last game being a victorious CL final before taking over the reigns from Ange and becoming the most successful Spurs manager of all time.

Sorry, that ended up way more facetious than I intended, but my point is that while I definitely see your perspective, I just think in this era of football, how many teams are thriving with slow, non-pressing forwards, no matter how many goals they score on their own?

 

[soflapaul]

If Ange is the coach we think he is, he will create a system that plays to a player's strengths. He has a system, but hes not a system's coach and he's not married to it like other coaches we have recently experienced

 

[Scott Spur]

It’s not about the player, it’s about the team as a whole, the club.

Kane has made it clear at least twice that he doesn’t want to be here (for reasons most of us wouldn’t disagree with) and that uncertainty has the potential to not just derail the start of this critical first season with our new manager, but next too.

We may not have a better starting 11 without Kane, but we certainly will have a better ‘team’ without a non-committed Kane.

I’m not sure why some people can’t see that.

 

[dj_stu]

Disagree, haaland’s an out and out striker, someone described him as a roided up inzaghi which i kinda see, which pep’s never been on, so he must’ve adapted. Pep’s quotas saying he’d field a ten of midfielders if he could, hasland doesn’t fit that

True, but then Pep has changed his system a number of times over the years, particularly now with inverted full backs (hi, Ange) and a system that actually suits Haaland more than his previous tactics of a couple of years ago.

 

[soflapaul]

It’s not about the player, it’s about the team as a whole, the club.

Kane has made it clear at least twice that he doesn’t want to be here (for reasons most of us wouldn’t disagree with) and that uncertainty has the potential to not just derail the start of this season with our new manager, but next too.

We may not have a better starting 11 without Kane, but we certainly will have a better ‘team’ without a non-committed Kane.

I’m not sure why some people can’t see that.

I'm willing to bet that Harry would much rather win At Tottenham than win at another club. If he believes you could win here he Would sign. If he thinks it's possible he could win here, he's open to staying for at least one season.

 

[Trix]

I agree we're better off with him. No question, he's world class and he and Ange would find a way to make that work. I want him to stay if he wants to stay.

But if the choice is between - for example - finally fixing our defence this summer and losing Kane now, or doing a cheap job on the defence and losing Kane for free next summer and still needing to fix the defence but now with £90m less or whatever, then that is another layer to consider.

I obviously have no way of knowing whether that's the actual scenario we're in, so please go easy on me if it's not. Just a well-intentioned thought experiment.

It's a bullshit argument because we should be able to do that either way. It's a kop out that the only way we can do it is with the Kane sale. Every other top team pushes the limits every now and then and we ALWAYS just do enough.

 

[Joe Bjorn Hotspur]

It’s a conundrum as Kane is irreplaceable and we have to admit that we will miss not only his goals but his tactical awareness, cross-field passes and (perhaps not free kicks) successful penalty conversion rate.

I had similar feelings with Bale, huge hole and gutted but I’m sure he will return towards the end of his career.

The Bayern deadline feels like some Bond film villain or more like Dr Evil in Austin Powers.

My take is that we will miss him, however, we have a new manager and if (it looks like it) he cannot commit to yet another new project at Spurs cash in before he could go for free to a rival like Chelsea or United next year.

 

[Singaspursofsixspence]

End of and era, what could have been since 18/19

 

[Johnny J]

It's a bullshit argument because we should be able to do that either way. It's a kop out that the only way we can do it is with the Kane sale. Every other top team pushes the limits every now and then and we ALWAYS just do enough.

I agree we should be able to do it anyway. But Levy doesn't seem to see it that way. Sorry if I gave the wrong impression.

 

[lennon180]

I just saw a fake tweet of Harry in a Bayern kit and whilst he’s the best player I’ve ever seen live, the best player and my favourite spurs player across the 35 years (yes, more than Gazza and Nethercott) that I have supported this wonderful club I will say, as much as I don’t want him to leave, I felt nothing seeing him in that kit. No rage, no jealousy, no disappointment. If he has to go and I hope he doesn’t, I hope he goes there. He’ll win trophies, he’ll achieve his trophy ambitions but it won’t be here, In the Premier, in England. It’ll be meaningless to our rivals who like to gang up on us but most of all it’ll be meaningless to us. If he goes there he will never win a trophy with another English club. I can live with that. I think also that, in my lifetime he will always be the top scorer for my beloved team. And I can live with that too.

 

[Scott Spur]

It's a bullshit argument because we should be able to do that either way. It's a kop out that the only way we can do it is with the Kane sale. Every other top team pushes the limits every now and then and we ALWAYS just do enough.

Trix, whether we ‘should be able to’ or not is a moot point. It’s whether we ‘will’ or not and if we keep Kane the chances that we will improve the squad as a whole are far slimmer.

The length of Daniel Levy’s arms is a separate argument and won’t be resolved by the keeping of Harry Kane for one more season.

 

[Trix]

I agree we should be able to do it anyway. But Levy doesn't seem to see it that way. Sorry if I gave the wrong impression.

Nah look, I'm not having a go at you. I know where you are coming from, and it's the board I'm frustrated at not you.

I'm just really hoping Levy just rolls the dice if Bayern don't hit the magic number. I'd genuinely rather he kept Kane and put some ambition around him and see where it gets us even if it does back fire next season. Just for once reach for the stars, instead of accepting mediocrity year in year out, and by that I mean seeing 4th as a winning season.

 

[spursfan77]

So did Bayern set a deadline with more bullying tactics, then realise it had no affect on us and then retract it? Lol

There was never a deadline more likely. The only one I reckon that has been set is Kane’s one next weekend.

 

[Scott Spur]

Nah look, I'm not having a go at you. I know where you are coming from, and it's the board I'm frustrated at not you.

I'm just really hoping Levy just rolls the dice if Bayern don't hit the magic number. I'd genuinely rather he kept Kane and put some ambition around him and see where it gets us even if it does back fire next season. Just for once reach for the stars, instead of accepting mediocrity year in year out, and by that I mean seeing 4th as a winning season.

Mate, you’ve more chance of winning the lottery than that happening.

 

[Johnny J]

Nah look, I'm not having a go at you. I know where you are coming from, and it's the board I'm frustrated at not you.

I'm just really hoping Levy just rolls the dice if Bayern don't hit the magic number. I'd genuinely rather he kept Kane and put some ambition around him and see where it gets us even if it does back fire next season. Just for once reach for the stars, instead of accepting mediocrity year in year out, and by that I mean seeing 4th as a winning season.

Thanks Trix, appreciate you saying that. And I totally agree. Surely it wouldn't kill us to splash out to fix the defence either way, given how important that is to our success (which itself determines revenue and so on).

 

[Thenewcat]

I'm not convinced he's a great fit for Ange's system. The only two aspects that he's below average at are pressing and pace - both characteristics that are important in a Postecoglu side (in any position). Let's get as much for him as possible whilst we can and really invest in the team for the medium and long term. There are plenty of goals in Sonny, Deki, Madders, and potentially Bentancur, and I still believe in Richy. Imagine how much fucking more you're going to hate it if he fucks off for free and we have no control whatsoever over where he goes (United, Chelsea, for example!).

That's my logic, anyway.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if you think there’s a system Kane can’t play in I have no idea what you’re taking about. There isn’t a manager on earth who wouldn’t jump at the chance to make him fit his system

 

[mil1lion]

Don't announce mid wank please

 

[mill]

I just saw a fake tweet of Harry in a Bayern kit and whilst he’s the best player I’ve ever seen live, the best player and my favourite spurs player across the 35 years (yes, more than Gazza and Nethercott) that I have supported this wonderful club I will say, as much as I don’t want him to leave, I felt nothing seeing him in that kit. No rage, no jealousy, no disappointment. If he has to go and I hope he doesn’t, I hope he goes there. He’ll win trophies, he’ll achieve his trophy ambitions but it won’t be here, In the Premier, in England. It’ll be meaningless to our rivals who like to gang up on us but most of all it’ll be meaningless to us. If he goes there he will never win a trophy with another English club. I can live with that. I think also that, in my lifetime he will always be the top scorer for my beloved team. And I can live with that too.

As an aside I’m 44 a bit too young to remember hoddle properly but Gazza’s by far the most talented English player I’ve ever seen, I think scholes is massively underrated but gazza was pure talent, no English player has come close since imo

 

[nicdic]

It’s not about the player, it’s about the team as a whole, the club.

Kane has made it clear at least twice that he doesn’t want to be here (for reasons most of us wouldn’t disagree with) and that uncertainty has the potential to not just derail the start of this critical first season with our new manager, but next too.

We may not have a better starting 11 without Kane, but we certainly will have a better ‘team’ without a non-committed Kane.

I’m not sure why some people can’t see that.

Kane has done nothing of the sort this time.