Harry Kane

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I don't think Kane needs to kick up a fuss to force a move. Kane simply needs to tell Levy he won't sign a new deal at Spurs, he will either walk away next summer, or he will take a move to a top team this summer.

Then the pressure is on Levy to make the best deal he can.

 

[Styopa]

Sure - its about risk management.

Given Kan'e wealth, I would guess he would err on the side of lower risk - i.e. take a good deal now, rather than wait for a great deal later.

First, the money difference will not be life changing - he is uber rich in either scenario. Second, he gets another year playing in CL and competing for big trophies by moving now instead of waiting.

I honestly don't think money is a motivating factor for Kane here. I think he wants to win, and he wants to compete at the highest level for however long his career lasts.

I agree about the money. But Kane may value winning the Premier League far more than any trophies he would win in Germany.

Bayern Munich are a massive club, but Germany is maybe the third or fourth most illustrious league in Europe, behind The Premier League and La Liga, and arguably Serie A, too, in terms of prestige over the years.

Maybe he just wants to win anything and winning the Bundesliga is still winning a major trophy. But surely this kind of thinking must factor into his decision making, given the confirmed offers he will start receiving in January, provided he stays inury-free.

 

[DFF]

If we sell Kane for £80m - we would have an additional £80m to spend. That is a fact. nobody said we can only spend £80m if we sell Kane.

Now, if he goes on a free next summer, we won't have that money, we will still need to replace him, and we will still need to do whatever business we need to do in addition to that.

Off the top of my head - Son will be 32 next summer - we would be looking to replace him or at least the player with the potential to replace him. So a top striker and a top winger/wide player. We probably will need to sort out LB next summer. We may also be in the market for another CB depending on what we do this summer. Maybe a CM depending on how things play out this season.

When you have owners who are not going to dig into their own pockets, we need to fund transfers via profits and player sales. Profits will be down with no European football.

I understood what you meant. This money generating machine of a club can afford an extra 80m whenever it wants to, and it doesn’t require owner funding. The key words being “wants to”.

I’d rather have an extra season watching one of the absolute best players in the world play for my team, than an extra 80m we don’t need to replace him with a lesser player.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

No they wouldn’t. We didn’t do it with bale or modric the only time we did was berba. Zero chance we lose our talisman for 100m and don’t spend money to replace him.

The club has already paid out ~£100m this window, so I think we all know where that would be going in terms of club propaganda...

Don't get net spend confused with accounting profligacy....net spend is all about sating the fans, whereas accountancy is where the magic sits and the profit gets removed.

 

[djhotspur]

The club has already paid out ~£100m this window, so I think we all know where that would be going in terms of club propaganda...

Don't get net spend confused with accounting profligacy....net spend is all about sating the fans, whereas accountancy is where the magic sits and the profit gets removed.

If you really believe that you live in a dream world. As we’ve been told Kulu was already budgeted for so was porro. We’ve spent very little this summer so far with a lot of players earmarked for exit.
Zero chance we would go after 1 or 2 attackers if Kane left.

 

[mil1lion]

Personally I would prefer to spend say 100m and keep Kane than spend 200m with selling him. So far we've spent what 60m? 1 more on a first choice centre back should be possible without sales. Then with some lesser sales like maybe Hojbjerg to allow a couple more incomings. We should be more than capable to spend 100m each summer as standard without sales. Any sales we make are added to it but honestly after this window we shouldn't be in position to spend over 100m every year really. We will just need to spend it next year on forwards if Kane leaves for free. This summer we just need to get right with a few more key signings. Then keep feeding the academy and scout good deals for each window after. That should require only the odd big money signings each window along with some unearthed gems. Honestly losing Kane for free is not going to hurt so much because we should have a good budget anyway and the squad should be in far better shape after this window.

 

[ButchCassidy]

For Kane to sign a new deal with Spurs, I think we need all of the following to be true:

1. He’d prefer to stay in England at least for a few more seasons
2. Man City don’t move very strongly for him or see him and Haaland fitting together
3. The vibe of the Postecoglu rebuild is very good
4. Our results next season put us just about in-line with ManU/Newcastle/other options he might have

In that scenario, I think we could just about make the case that staying at Tottenham is the best thing for Harry.

However, it already looks like the first point might be crumbling. If Harry is truly open to, even excited about, moving abroad then there’s no chance he extends with us. Both Munich and probably Madrid (maybe even Paris?) will make huge, compelling free-agent offers that guarantee trophies but more importantly guarantee CL football with a deep run in the knockouts every year, which no English club bar City can match.

 

[CarrickSpurgus]

I'm sure many will totally dismiss this but for what it's worth both Lee McQueen and Adam osper on the last LWOS said that they know he wants to go to Bayern and they know it for a fact.

My personal opinion is he probably does but I also think Bayern are naive to think he will massively push for it with only a year left. He holds all the cards, he doesn't need the hassle.

Is this the same Lee McQueen that repeatedly stated all last season that Kane had signed a new contract with the club but it just hadn’t been announced? He knows as much as you and me imo.

 

[McFlash]

If Kane loved Spurs as much as some think - he would agree to a sale to Bayern.

No he bloody wouldn't.
His family will be at the forefront of his decision and if his young wif doesn't want to leave her support group, like family and friends, to drag a very young family to Germany, he's not going there no matter how much he loves Spurs.

I realise that you're all on board for selling Kane to Bayern for 80m but the whole situation isn't as simple as you keep making out.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

No he bloody wouldn't.
His family will be at the forefront of his decision and if his young wif doesn't want to leave her support group, like family and friends, to drag a very young family to Germany, he's not going there no matter how much he loves Spurs.

I realise that you're all on board for selling Kane to Bayern for 80m but the whole situation isn't as simple as you keep making out.

By most accounts - he is willing to go to Bayern. The question is whether Bayern will meet Levy's price.

 

[McFlash]

By most accounts - he is willing to go to Bayern. The question is whether Bayern will meet Levy's price.

I'd say most of those accounts are dodgy at best, nothing has come from him or his direct camp.

He may well really want to go there but I'm not so sure that's actually the case from what's been said so far.
I guess we'll maybe find out more when he returns from his hols, that'll be when the rumour mill will really get turning.

 

[Albertbarich]

Is this the same Lee McQueen that repeatedly stated all last season that Kane had signed a new contract with the club but it just hadn’t been announced? He knows as much as you and me imo.

I had no idea about that.

 

[robotsonic]

By most accounts - he is willing to go to Bayern. The question is whether Bayern will meet Levy's price.

Serious question: Which accounts? Are they all Bayern/German media?

Genuinely can't remember seeing a single thing on it from anyone over here, or anyone reliable elsewhere.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Is this the same Lee McQueen that repeatedly stated all last season that Kane had signed a new contract with the club but it just hadn’t been announced? He knows as much as you and me imo.

Oh yea LMQ kept saying he has this great source and Kane had signed a new deal etc etc he knows naffin

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Serious question: Which accounts? Are they all Bayern/German media?

Genuinely can't remember seeing a single thing on it from anyone over here, or anyone reliable elsewhere.

Well you have Ornstein reporting that Bayern made the original bid for Kane - which was rejected. I doubt Bayern make a formal bid unless they have assurances from Kane's camp that he would go to Bayern. If Bayern make a second bid - I would be certain they have Kane's approval.

And then obviously there have been a number of reports from the German side about Levy being furious with Bayern and Tuchel for being in contact with Kane.

Also Eccleshare reporting:

Thus far, the picture is pretty similar to 2021. For Manchester City read Bayern Munich — and just like then, Kane wants the move and it’s understood personal terms would not be an issue. But also just like then, Bayern, like City, have not come close to making an offer that would convince Tottenham to sell. This week also saw another element of 2021 play out: Tottenham attempting to pin Kane down to a new contract. The expectation is just like then, Kane will turn it down — certainly while the transfer window remains open.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Harry Kane and Spurs are entering a pivotal week – but will it end like 2021?​

Full Athletic article on Kane situation

Spoiler

At every step of this year’s Harry Kane transfer saga, there’s a question I keep asking: is this any different from 2021?

Because if it isn’t, then it’s hard to imagine a different ending from two years ago — i.e. Kane wanting to leave but the interested club not doing enough to get him and him staying.

Thus far, the picture is pretty similar to 2021. For Manchester City read Bayern Munich — and just like then, Kane wants the move and it’s understood personal terms would not be an issue. But also just like then, Bayern, like City, have not come close to making an offer that would convince Tottenham to sell. This week also saw another element of 2021 play out: Tottenham attempting to pin Kane down to a new contract. The expectation is just like then, Kane will turn it down — certainly while the transfer window remains open.

Next week could be the point at which things start to diverge, however.

First, Bayern are expected to come back in with another bid. It may well not be sufficient this time around but would suggest a stomach for the fight City never really displayed.


Next week (Wednesday, July 12) also sees Kane due to report for pre-season training. This was the point at which two years ago Kane didn’t show up and set in motion those painful few weeks when he made it clear he wanted to leave, only for that move to City not to materialise.

This year will be different, though, as Spurs, unlike in 2021, have an overseas pre-season tour planned. Kane is due to fly to Perth, Australia, with the rest of the squad on Friday, July 14, and for him to refuse to go on that would be hugely significant. Even Gareth Bale still went on Tottenham’s pre-season tour of Hong Kong in 2013 when he was trying to force a move to Real Madrid, though he disappointed a few people at the club with his lack of commitment and enthusiasm while on the tour. What Kane decides to do will be very revealing.

Bale took part in pre-season in 2013 — but was gone by September (Photo: Getty)
The head coach situation is also very different from two years ago. Nuno Espirito Santo, a natural introvert and not known for his warmth, caused consternation when he revealed that, even after Kane’s refusal to return for pre-season training, he had not had any contact with Kane since taking the job more than a month earlier. Spurs’ new head coach, Ange Postecoglou, keeps his distance from his players but he is a master communicator and there are talks planned between him and Kane once the England captain is back at Hotspur Way next week.

Summer signings James Maddison and Guglielmo Vicario have spoken about how compelling Postecoglou was during their talks to join the club. And with the mood a lot better at Hotspur Way than two years ago, plus the addition of Maddison — a player and person Kane likes — the conditions might be more favourable to Kane deciding to stay.

On the flip side, there are some differences between Bayern’s situation and City’s two years ago. Back then, City could walk away from a deal knowing that: a) they would likely have another chance to sign Kane at a time when his contract situation was more favourable to them; and b) that Erling Haaland was probably going to be attainable the following summer.

Bayern’s need is more pressing. This summer, they will have pretty much a clear run at Kane. Tottenham do not want to sell to another English team and none of the Premier League’s biggest clubs have shown any inclination that they are willing to throw the necessary funds and energy at persuading them to change that stance.

Selling to a foreign club would be more palatable, which gives Bayern an edge.

But next summer, that edge will be gone. Kane will be a free agent and able to choose whichever club he wants, offering him the chance to join a club where he can both win things and achieve personal milestones, such as breaking the Premier League goalscoring record. And all the while not uprooting his wife and four children to another country. Suddenly, Manchester United, City, even Tottenham’s nightmare of a reunion with Mauricio Pochettino at Chelsea, would all become much more realistic options.

The horror of those possibilities to Spurs will also help Bayern because there comes a point at which as much as Kane is critical to Tottenham, chairman Daniel Levy will have to think carefully about whether keeping him is in Spurs’ best interests. The club’s position is that Kane is not for sale, so he doesn’t have an asking price as such, but the suggestion is that a bid north of £100million ($126.8m) from a foreign club would have to at least be considered.


This is surely sensible because as painful as a summer exit would be, the possibility of losing him for free next summer to a Premier League rival — after a season of non-stop speculation about his future — would be a lot, lot worse. Tottenham also have a manager now in Postecoglou who as much as he wants to keep Kane would relish the challenge of a rebuild. This is a huge contrast from the fury with which Jose Mourinho or Antonio Conte would have reacted had Kane been sold while they were Spurs manager.

Compared to 2021 then, there is at least an exit strategy.

Ultimately, though, the single most important factor remains the same: unless the potential buyer comes up with an offer Spurs can’t say no to, Kane will not leave.

It’s all well and good ensuring Kane is keen on the move, as City did in 2021, but ultimately it’s not his decision. It’s like asking one parent for permission to do something, knowing full well it’s the other who will ultimately decide. A helpful obstacle removed, yes — but not enough to get you what you want.

This will come down to just how hard Bayern are willing to push, which is why the next week could be so revealing about whether this will be different to 2021 after all.

 

[McFlash]

So while we can deduce that Kane would talk to Bayern, it would be remiss on his part not to, there nothing definitive saying that "he wants to go".

Just the usual speculative column inches.

 

[andy00900]

Would love to be a fly on the wall for the Kane Postecoglou meeting. Hopefully we'll get some answers after that.

 

[robotsonic]

Well you have Ornstein reporting that Bayern made the original bid for Kane - which was rejected. I doubt Bayern make a formal bid unless they have assurances from Kane's camp that he would go to Bayern. If Bayern make a second bid - I would be certain they have Kane's approval.

And then obviously there have been a number of reports from the German side about Levy being furious with Bayern and Tuchel for being in contact with Kane.

Also Eccleshare reporting:

Thus far, the picture is pretty similar to 2021. For Manchester City read Bayern Munich — and just like then, Kane wants the move and it’s understood personal terms would not be an issue. But also just like then, Bayern, like City, have not come close to making an offer that would convince Tottenham to sell. This week also saw another element of 2021 play out: Tottenham attempting to pin Kane down to a new contract. The expectation is just like then, Kane will turn it down — certainly while the transfer window remains open.

I'll be honest, it doesn't read like a whole lot of much to me. It's very easy to just say "Kane wants to go", without any further elaboration on the matter, and then just pad out an article.

Anything coming from Germany can pretty much be disregarded out of hand given that they serve the Bayern narrative and are as bad as the Italian/Spanish media when it comes to printing absolutely anything they made up.

I suppose time will tell. But I can't see him going there myself, both from himself when the chips are down, and due to Bayern not bidding anything serious in the first place, and I'll be glad when it doesn't happen as I think we should keep the bloke!

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

If you really believe that you live in a dream world. As we’ve been told Kulu was already budgeted for so was porro. We’ve spent very little this summer so far with a lot of players earmarked for exit.
Zero chance we would go after 1 or 2 attackers if Kane left.

Not at all.......and I'd suggest I probably know more than most about Spurs accounting and how they operate (particularly with transfers). I'm not saying that is what will happen, just that it's a fairly likely option.

Also, remember, if we buy a defender then we're not far off £100m already (excluding Poro and Kulu)......however, as I intimated, net spend is meaningless other than to placate the fans.