Harry Kane

[y1dk1d]

As someone has mentioned Defoe got to quickly say how much I loved that man, one of my favourites

 

[sausage]

Comments like this are deluded. Unless you are Chelsea or Man City you can’t just click your fingers and have a whole squad of ‘top players’.

Not only that, but it's the stupid realm of "benefit of hindsight".

"We should sign {GLC/Ndombele/Janssen/Sanchez/Bergwijn/Sess etc}"
"They want big money for them though"
"This club is too tight to back the manager"
club signs player
player struggles
"Imagine if we actually bought good players"

Football management games have corrupted reality

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Not only that, but it's the stupid realm of "benefit of hindsight".

"We should sign {GLC/Ndombele/Janssen/Sanchez/Bergwijn/Sess etc}"
"They want big money for them though"
"This club is too tight to back the manager"
club signs player
player struggles
"Imagine if we actually bought good players"

Football management games have corrupted reality

Spot on.

 

[spursfan77]

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Interesting - that looks like a Sheringham type player.

A perfect partner for DV in a 3-5-2?

 

[tottenhamlad]

Comments like this are deluded. Unless you are Chelsea or Man City you can’t just click your fingers and have a whole squad of ‘top players’.

Well we could actually. Joe Lewis is worth 4 billion so if he ultimately wanted to he could surround Harry Kane with top players quite easily.

That's exactly how Chelsea and City have done it.

He just doesn't want to.

 

[spids]

Well we could actually. Joe Lewis is worth 4 billion so if he ultimately wanted to he could surround Harry Kane with top players quite easily.

That's exactly how Chelsea and City have done it.

He just doesn't want to.

Just because Joe Lewis is worth £4 Billion it does not mean he has £4 Billion of disposable income in his bank account. The value of ENIC / Tottenham is probably a quarter of his overall worth. The Tavistock group is the bulk of his wealth. Yes he could sell off a string of hotels or other major assets (that generate regular income and increase in value and guarantee his family generations of wealth) to generate £400 Million (the maximum amount we can spend under FFP rules) and fund 2 or 3 world class players that may flop and be worth nothing to him and his family in 4 years time. Vlahovic fee + agent fee + salary for 4 years is close to £150M investment for a player that could flop badly or leave on a Bosman in 4 years (as he is potentially doing to Fiorentina). Owners like Abramovich (£14 Billion) and Sheikh Mansour (family fortune £1 Trillion) are significantly wealthier and also have different agendas and types of asset to dispose of.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Well we could actually. Joe Lewis is worth 4 billion so if he ultimately wanted to he could surround Harry Kane with top players quite easily.

That's exactly how Chelsea and City have done it.

He just doesn't want to.

Joe Lewis doesn’t own us, ENIC does.

We’re also run within FFP, and not for sportwashing purposes. Pointless comparing.

 

[tottenhamlad]

Just because Joe Lewis is worth £4 Billion it does not mean he has £4 Billion of disposable income in his bank account. The value of ENIC / Tottenham is probably a quarter of his overall worth. The Tavistock group is the bulk of his wealth. Yes he could sell off a string of hotels or other major assets (that generate regular income and increase in value and guarantee his family generations of wealth) to generate £400 Million (the maximum amount we can spend under FFP rules) and fund 2 or 3 world class players that may flop and be worth nothing to him and his family in 4 years time. Vlahovic fee + agent fee + salary for 4 years is close to £150M investment for a player that could flop badly or leave on a Bosman in 4 years (as he is potentially doing to Fiorentina). Owners like Abramovich (£14 Billion) and Sheikh Mansour (family fortune £1 Trillion) are significantly wealthier and also have different agendas and types of asset to dispose of.

Yes I fully understand he doesn't have a spare 4 billion sat in the bank mate ?.

As you point out though if he wanted he could raise the revenue to inject some funds into the squad. This is what the top teams we are a mile away from all have. We can chuck Newcastle into the equation now as well.

We do need a big invesrment on the first team squad if we want to compete though and keep the few top players we have. Otherwise you will never breach the gap.

 

[tottenhamlad]

Surely everyone can see/feel the Kane families frustrations?

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Surely everyone can see/feel the Kane families frustrations?

Yeah that Charlie must wind them right up.

 

[Darth Vega]

Yes I fully understand he doesn't have a spare 4 billion sat in the bank mate ?.

As you point out though if he wanted he could raise the revenue to inject some funds into the squad. This is what the top teams we are a mile away from all have. We can chuck Newcastle into the equation now as well.

We do need a big invesrment on the first team squad if we want to compete though and keep the few top players we have. Otherwise you will never breach the gap.

The issue here is one for football, not Spurs. Football is in such a place where, unless you have the financial might of a nation backing you, you're not going to succeed - not in England anyway. ENIC end up getting all the flak when it should be directed at City, Chelsea and the powers that be for letting it get to this stage to begin with.

We've run a business self-sustainably for 20 years - exactly how it works in the real world - and a couple of lucky people have won the footballing euromillions and now we can't compete. I don't see that as a Spurs problem, but a football problem.

For all of ENIC's flaws - and there have been many - I can't honestly criticise them for being rich but not quite rich enough.

 

[tottenhamlad]

The issue here is one for football, not Spurs. Football is in such a place where, unless you have the financial might of a nation backing you, you're not going to succeed - not in England anyway. ENIC end up getting all the flak when it should be directed at City, Chelsea and the powers that be for letting it get to this stage to begin with.

We've run a business self-sustainably for 20 years - exactly how it works in the real world - and a couple of lucky people have won the footballing euromillions and now we can't compete. I don't see that as a Spurs problem, but a football problem.

For all of ENIC's flaws - and there have been many - I can't honestly criticise them for being rich but not quite rich enough.

Spot on mate totally agree with that it is a football issue.

The problem is we are stuck were we are now and it isn't ever going back.

I am in the "if you can't beat them join them" camp now. I appreciate it cannot be done under this ownership.

 

[spids]

Yes I fully understand he doesn't have a spare 4 billion sat in the bank mate ?.

As you point out though if he wanted he could raise the revenue to inject some funds into the squad. This is what the top teams we are a mile away from all have. We can chuck Newcastle into the equation now as well.

We do need a big invesrment on the first team squad if we want to compete though and keep the few top players we have. Otherwise you will never breach the gap.

I cannot think of any reason a sane person would sell long term income generating assets to fund a £100M+ investment in a single football player for 4 years. And then do that 3 or 4 times over, with no guarantee of success, to try and compete with Russian and Saudi billionaires who are significantly richer.

We really have two choices (three if you count 'just give up')...

A. Hire a world class manager and build a squad of players that he can turn into an elite force. Maximise commercial and match day revenue to fund top tier wages and the odd marquee signing but operate in a smart way, maximising free transfers and developing youngsters.

OR

B. Get taken over by a Billionaire who does not mind burning through their own personal wealth, or have money to launder, or have a nation state financial powerhouse that wants to invest in sports washing., and just gets through players and managers at high turnover to keep winning things

 

[tottenhamlad]

A won't work, you will always be behind the money unfortunately so it's B or bust basically.

 

[spids]

A won't work, you will always be behind the money unfortunately so it's B or bust basically.

A very nearly worked with Poch. We just did not have the increased revenue (and also the added cost of building the new stadium) to buy the 1-2 extra world class players we needed at the time.

If we go with B, I could not support an oppressive dictatorship like the one that owns Newcastle.

 

[sausage]

Yes I fully understand he doesn't have a spare 4 billion sat in the bank mate ?.

As you point out though if he wanted he could raise the revenue to inject some funds into the squad. This is what the top teams we are a mile away from all have. We can chuck Newcastle into the equation now as well.

We do need a big invesrment on the first team squad if we want to compete though and keep the few top players we have. Otherwise you will never breach the gap.

You realise "worth" isn't "has it in his current account".

A large amount of Joe Lewis' "worth" is intrinsically because of the shares he owns in proxy in the club.

Tangible funds != worth


There's no actual evidence he has anything to invest

 

[KaribYid]

Looked as fit tonight as I've seen him in a long long time.

Showed sharpness and agility that I honestly began to think was completely gone from his game. And of course, that pass for the winner...

 

[dtxspurs]

Was superb tonight. One big miss aside he was incredible.

 

[Tucker]

That ball to Bergwijn was absolutely filthy.