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spursfan77

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Does it really matter? I’m not having a go at you but the point is the amount of money you have available to spend is irrelevant if the club is poor at evaluating players and ending up spending money on average ones/shit ones which most of our recent signings fall into. Increased revenue will just mean even bigger expensive mistakes. A much better job has to be done on talent evaluation.

I agree and that’s true but the funds will be there and the argument is that levy hasn’t invested in players. Yet he’ll have to further when the stadium income comes rolling in. There’s no other choice as he’s committed himself to it (again) in his program notes on Wednesday.
 

wiggo24

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Absolutely crazy how massive papers like the Telegraph can fully just post something that objectively wasn't said and everyone will buy into the narrative. Happens in all walks of life but christ football punditry is just the worst.
 
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The club are not reading fan forums when evaluating players deciding which players to sign.

I didn't say they are. It's just annoying seeing people bleat about what they would do differently if they were running the club (as manager or owner), yet they would make the exact same mistakes. One minute it's "back the manager", then it's "we shouldn't have signed (insert player manager coveted". You're doing the exact same thing suggesting it's "the same people making the decisions" when it clearly isn't.

As a note, clubs are clearly influenced by supporter opinion - that's been the topic of the last few months.

The players, like Kane, will echo these sentiments - it doesn't mean that they are right, though. I'd be asking Harry to point out who, in the team, should be replaced. If he doesn't point out players who he's likely to be mates with, like Winks/Dier/Dele, then he needs to be realistic.

Chelsea went from mid-table under Lampard to top-four under Tuchel with the same set of players - I don't think that a "rebuild" is needed if you get in a new coach/manager whose style suits the core of what we already have, and who isn't bothered about getting rid of the buddy club in the same way Poch did when he started.

Who knows if Kane is even the one putting pressure on the English core to be playing?
 

sundanceyid10

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I agree and that’s true but the funds will be there and the argument is that levy hasn’t invested in players. Yet he’ll have to further when the stadium income comes rolling in. There’s no other choice as he’s committed himself to it (again) in his program notes on Wednesday.
I’ve never made the argument he hasn’t invested they have, just done a poor job with very very expensive signings. Talent evaluation and are inability to make a very good job of it needs to be looked into.
 

sundanceyid10

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Absolutely crazy how massive papers like the Telegraph can fully just post something that objectively wasn't said and everyone will buy into the narrative. Happens in all walks of life but christ football punditry is just the worst.

The level of journalism is pathetic, the traditional press have suffered in the rise of the internet so click bate headlines and tenuous links and lack of direct quotes are now the order of the day. It’s best ignored as it is obvious the press will say anything in this age for a pound.
 

walton

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The bed wetting in here over the press coverage pathetic. Don't see such indignation when it's player X linked with us. The Kane speculation is a huge story so journalists will be writing about it.
 

PLTuck

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Ryan Mason : "Yeah I'd love to play with KdB as well! Ask any player in the world if they would like to play with KdB and they will say yes."

Whatever you may think about his selections or tactics, you can't deny he's handled the media really well considering the shitstorm he walked into.
 

sundanceyid10

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I didn't say they are. It's just annoying seeing people bleat about what they would do differently if they were running the club (as manager or owner), yet they would make the exact same mistakes. One minute it's "back the manager", then it's "we shouldn't have signed (insert player manager coveted". You're doing the exact same thing suggesting it's "the same people making the decisions" when it clearly isn't.

As a note, clubs are clearly influenced by supporter opinion - that's been the topic of the last few months.

The players, like Kane, will echo these sentiments - it doesn't mean that they are right, though. I'd be asking Harry to point out who, in the team, should be replaced. If he doesn't point out players who he's likely to be mates with, like Winks/Dier/Dele, then he needs to be realistic.

Chelsea went from mid-table under Lampard to top-four under Tuchel with the same set of players - I don't think that a "rebuild" is needed if you get in a new coach/manager whose style suits the core of what we already have, and who isn't bothered about getting rid of the buddy club in the same way Poch did when he started.

Who knows if Kane is even the one putting pressure on the English core to be playing?
I am not I don’t want to see money being spent on poor players, it’s not just the manager involved. We have a proven failure when it comes to big money signing that’s not down to fans saying do this or do that. For the record I don’t jump on any threads saying buy this player or that player, I don’t comment on the summer transfers thread. I call out shit players Sissoko is undeniable dogshit. But legitimate criticism of player evaluation is valid, more than valid. Nowhere have I bleated about what I would do, I have zero control over what happens so I just hope a better job is done of evaluating player spending, I hope to god the club do do this otherwise more money is highly likely to be wasted. It’s got nothing to do with fans say do this or that, it’s questioning the people that are paid a lot of money to do and do actually have the power.
 
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sundanceyid10

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Ryan Mason : "Yeah I'd love to play with KdB as well! Ask any player in the world if they would like to play with KdB and they will say yes."

Whatever you may think about his selections or tactics, you can't deny he's handled the media really well considering the shitstorm he walked into.
Yeah I don’t really think any blame for any of this mess is really his, he is inexperienced, come into a complete mess, he knows it’s only for a few games he has tried to do the best he can.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Absolutely crazy how massive papers like the Telegraph can fully just post something that objectively wasn't said and everyone will buy into the narrative. Happens in all walks of life but christ football punditry is just the worst.


The Chelsea links always baffle me. It’s like all logic goes out the window when the media get into a frenzy like this.
 
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nicdic

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People need to learn to read an think for themselves rather than just swallow what the media say.
 

PLTuck

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The Chelsea links always baffle me. It’s like all logic goes out the window when the media get into frenzy like this.

Loaded questions I expect.

Q: "If he were available would you like Harry Kane in your Team?"
A: "Of course, he's a top class player"

Headline: Tuchel Targets Kane
 

Harrier

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I’ve had a text conversation with my ManU supporting mate this morning who said Levy needs to get sensible with his valuation of Kane.

My response was ‘Why do you have to be sensible when you don’t want to sell?!’

I have a classic car worth £20k but I don’t want to sell it, but I would if someone offered me £40k!

If the club stick with their not for sale stance, you just wait for the ‘Kane held prisoner’ headlines! I’d love to be held prisoner doing something I love for £10m a year! ?

The media’s’ (& especially Sky Sports) agenda really does irritate me! ?
 

sundanceyid10

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People need to learn to read an think for themselves rather than just swallow what the media say.
I agree, I think it’s the articles are made to trigger people, that’s the click bait nature of them in the same way Talksport trigger people and it makes them phone in, it’s how they make money. It’s better to just ignore it for what it is. The truth is largely irrelevant to modern journalism, sporting journalism certainly.
 

PLTuck

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I’ve had a text conversation with my ManU supporting mate this morning who said Levy needs to get sensible with his valuation of Kane.

My response was ‘Why do you have to be sensible when you don’t want to sell?!’

I have a classic car worth £20k but I don’t want to sell it, but I would if someone offered me £40k!

If the club stick with their not for sale stance, you just wait for the ‘Kane held prisoner’ headlines! I’d love to be held prisoner doing something I love for £10m a year! ?

The media’s’ (& especially Sky Sports) agenda really does irritate me! ?

#SaveHarry

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bubble07

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Ryan Mason : "Yeah I'd love to play with KdB as well! Ask any player in the world if they would like to play with KdB and they will say yes."

Whatever you may think about his selections or tactics, you can't deny he's handled the media really well considering the shitstorm he walked into.

He should have said signing Kdb won't be cheap though
 

Mark_147

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Absolutely crazy how massive papers like the Telegraph can fully just post something that objectively wasn't said and everyone will buy into the narrative. Happens in all walks of life but christ football punditry is just the worst.

All the more reason why Kane shouldn't of given the interview in the first place.
 

GMI

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Well it does when it's relentlessly smeared across most threads.

"Back the manager" in one thread, and "But we shouldn't have signed GLC, Doherty, NDombele (etc)" in another.

We need someone in charge of building a team to a particular requirement (a Monchi/Campos type) and a manager hired to suit the players. Kane will no doubt be getting pissed off at the idea of all these random players with no chemistry signed to play in a way that doesn't suit them. As we all are. But I hope we can scrap the "back the manager" phrase in other contexts/threads, as it's redundant and problematic.
I also recall most people being very satisfied with our business last summer recruitment wise. There are always a myriad of factors at play which determine whether a player succeeds at a given time. As an example you drop Reggie into the peak Poch team, in rotation with Rose, and he would likely have excelled. He’s clearly a good player that has been introduced into a club/team that are struggling.
 

GMI

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Absolutely crazy how massive papers like the Telegraph can fully just post something that objectively wasn't said and everyone will buy into the narrative. Happens in all walks of life but christ football punditry is just the worst.

I do wonder how Kane really feels this week? Is he thinking I’ve played this wrong and been manipulated by Sky and the media or is this playing out how he wanted.
 
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