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I am still lumbered with all them Conte wigs I was trying to flog on match days. Unforgivable that he left.
I am still lumbered with all them Conte wigs I was trying to flog on match days. Unforgivable that he left.
""Bayern is definitely a different pressure compared to what I felt at Spurs. Of course we wanted to win things at Spurs but if you went a couple of games without winning then it wasn't a disaster. The feeling at Bayern is that you have to win every game.""
And me!To be fair, I defo did celebrate every time we've finished in the CL places.
Time and patience is not what he had with us though. For someone who went on about how long it would take and how many windows we needed he sure did give up early.The Kane quote from a couple of motnhs ago is resurfacing today given BM's recent results ""Bayern is definitely a different pressure compared to what I felt at Spurs. Of course we wanted to win things at Spurs but if you went a couple of games without winning then it wasn't a disaster. The feeling at Bayern is that you have to win every game.""
Maybe that is precisley the mentality that Conte was figthing to change and one of the reasons why he said we needed time and patience.
He asked for time and patience but is wasn't really forthcoming from the fans who were turning on him becuase they didn't like the style of football, even though we were 4th.Time and patience is not what he had with us though. For someone who went on about how long it would take and how many windows we needed he sure did give up early.
Yet he wasn't willing to stick around to turn it around. He talked the talk about fight and having to suffer yet he gave up on us. That's why he doesn't last at any club more than a couple years. As soon as things start to turn he picks up his settlement and leaves. I wanted things to work with him but he was all talk and little substance.He asked for time and patience but is wasn't really forthcoming from the fans who were turning on him becuase they didn't like the style of football, even though we were 4th.
The constant insinuation he was bigger & better than the club also got extremely boring.Yet he wasn't willing to stick around to turn it around. He talked the talk about fight and having to suffer yet he gave up on us. That's why he doesn't last at any club more than a couple years. As soon as things start to turn he picks up his settlement and leaves. I wanted things to work with him but he was all talk and little substance.
This is all true. You also have to consider that 10 games into a season, you are not going to be miles behind points wise because all teams simply haven't played enough games yet.You are painting a rosier picture than the real situation though. Look at the table below. We had scored 9 goals in those 10 games and were already 11 goals behind Man Utd as well. We had numerous games and halves without even getting shots on target never mind goals and we were sliding down the table with three losses in our last five including two in a row without scoring. Nuno didn't coach us to play shit and not try to score goals, it was because we weren't very good. Conte came in and discovered that for himself when we tried our best to lose to Vitesse in his first game despite being 3-0 up. He got something more out of that group of players than expected and then with our excellent January signings we started to gain some real traction. Arsenal were nailed on for fourth and it was a miracle to pip them to it because all they had to do was not lose to us at the TH and that was that. Conte got us up for that game and we won our last three while they lost two of their three which gave it to us. I don't particularly like Conte's ways but credit where it's due he worked some magic that season.
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Exactly.Yet he wasn't willing to stick around to turn it around. He talked the talk about fight and having to suffer yet he gave up on us. That's why he doesn't last at any club more than a couple years. As soon as things start to turn he picks up his settlement and leaves. I wanted things to work with him but he was all talk and little substance.
That's the biggest difference between Conte and Ange. One will lay blame on the players and the other will take the blame themselves. It's no wonder the players prefer to play for the latter.
He threw the players under the bus though and got rightly sacked for it. At the end of the day he was the manager and it's his responsibility to improve players. He didn't do that. It's all well and good saying players have to take responsibility but it ultimately falls to the manager to get the best out of them. Time and again we've seen players perform when a new manager comes in and it's happened again with Ange. Fact is players are looking far better under Ange than they did under Conte. That falls on the manager.He didn't blame the players to begin with and would also take blame as well. The players also need to take some responsibility as well, football isn't chess where the manager just moves pieces around.
In the same way Ange improved Dier?He threw the players under the bus though and got rightly sacked for it. At the end of the day he was the manager and it's his responsibility to improve players. He didn't do that. It's all well and good saying players have to take responsibility but it ultimately falls to the manager to get the best out of them. Time and again we've seen players perform when a new manager comes in and it's happened again with Ange. Fact is players are looking far better under Ange than they did under Conte. That falls on the manager.
You know Ange dropped Dier? Conte wasn't forced to keep playing him. Just as he wasn't forced to keep playing Son through injury when he was performing badly. Besides the last couple months has shown that with all the injuries Ange had he still had us playing better than Conte did with his squad (which compared to our depleted one was still better).In the same way Ange improved Dier?
Come on, these are not children in a playschool, at some point it has to be recognised that they contributed to the problem, it wasn't all on Conte.
Look at the squad he had when he arrived, he had no pre season, he had Europa football mid-week, he had a run to the Carabao Cup semis, so limited training time with an indifferent squad. 56 points from 28 games (Ange currently has 47 from 24) so that's why I think that for Conte to get us 4th in those circumstances is impressive.
I like Ange, I am totally supportive of him, winning a trophy with him at the helm would be magnificent, I am keen to see how this season pans out, and more importantly if we qualify for Europe, how next season pans out with more games. That's when I will start to form a stronger opinion of Ange (unless we win the league this year in which case he becomes a legend in my eyes)
I think it is ok to appreciate the achievements of more than one manager.