Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[Spursfan1414]

Well like I say that's just your guess based on his characteristics as a manager. Yes he's intense but that doesn't mean he doesn't know when to be intense and when not. You don't have the success he has not knowing that. It's not like he doesn't give them rest days after games for example. I doubt every session he does is 100%. His European record has nothing to do with it, and even so he went the distance in the Europa. I think its more to do with the quality of his teams and his brand of football. I doubt they fail in the CL because of fitness.

Of course it has something to do with it. He has coached several of the best clubs in Europe for a decade and has reached the CL quarter finals once. The Europa League tournament you talk about was the COVID one that was played as it's own mini tournament after the league season has ended. He has only ever been an abject failure in Europe when he has had to balance mid-week European games with league games. He can't do it, he doesn't know how to.

10 years coaching Juventus, Inter and Chelsea, all of whom won domestic trophies with him, you cannot blame team quality for it. It's a consistent pattern with Conte at every club.

 

[danielneeds]

I just think it's something that has been passed down at the club for over a decade. It's been the same observation from a lot of coaches for a long time, remember, "Lads it's Tottenham"

That’s simply not true though. Under Poch we dug out loads of famous last minute wins. Won matches at grounds we’d never won at all before.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

I just think it's something that has been passed down at the club for over a decade. It's been the same observation from a lot of coaches for a long time, remember, "Lads it's Tottenham"

We were never that team when Poch was in charge. The battle of the Bridge was gutting in one way but felt pride in another. We out shithoused the shithousers.
I think the right manager can change that in a heartbeat.

 

[wrd]

Running 2 kilometers as a warm-up before a match is not much. I expect most prem players in their warm-ups are running close to that.

You say this but I question the validity of your knowledge, if only you had some sort of imagery that was related to running.

 

[olliec]

In regards to no players playing tribute to Conte after hes left. Do you think levy might have said something to them?

 

[mil1lion]

Of course it has something to do with it. He has coached several of the best clubs in Europe for a decade and has reached the CL quarter finals once. The Europa League tournament you talk about was the COVID one that was played as it's own mini tournament after the league season has ended. He has only ever been an abject failure in Europe when he has had to balance mid-week European games with league games. He can't do it, he doesn't know how to.

10 years coaching Juventus, Inter and Chelsea, all of whom won domestic trophies with him, you cannot blame team quality for it. It's a consistent pattern with Conte at every club.

I don't see how you can put his European form down to fitness. Again though it's simply guesswork

 

[Albertbarich]

The collective attitude of our fanbase towards our club right now shows just what an absolute balls up Levy has made in recent years.

I don't buy this stuff about winning mentality, players being losers etc and I'll explain why.

Many of our team have won plenty elsewhere. A good example is Hugo has been here for years and won f all but yet he is a world cup winner. Romero is likely looking at Conte saying this stuff thinking , I've just gone away and won the world cup, who are you digging out. Is Harry Kane a loser? Does he have a bad mentality? Like fuck he does.

What's happened is we have employed two incredibly self centred managers since Poch who are masters at divide and conquer, they will do anything except admit their own shortcomings. Mourinho is way past it and winning the European equivalent of the Sherpa Vans trophy with his bang average Roma team proves nothing. We didn't get the Chelsea or Madrid Mourinho. We got the guy at the end of his career whose ego won't allow him to reconcile that he is no longer the elite .

Conte isn't past it but here you have this overly emotional guy demanding patience when he himself doesn't want to be here. Is it any wonder it went wrong? I mean when he is ranting at the end he wasn't gonna say that he played his part was he?

Two terrible managerial appointments that have highlighted that nobody hates Tottenham as much as Tottenham fans as they have gaslighted us to the point where we seem to be convinced were just a bunch of losers.

Look I think ENIC have no intention whatsoever of challenging for the league. They want top four and anything else is a bonus. The wage to turnover ratio proves this and yes we have a chairman who isn't as clever as he thinks and his involvement in footballing matters is now seriously hurting the club so this is no defence of him.

The players are a mixed bag with some not being good enough and many here with no real plan of how we're going to get the best out of them. Losers though? You don't get to this level if you're a loser.

I promise you if our dear chairman gets the next appointment right, in other words, he gets lucky lots of these players that so many of you hate will soon become heroes again, the squad you think is hopeless and full of losers will soon start to get your confidence again.

We have spent years trying to be something that our board won't pay to be but we still have plenty of good players that the right manager can get the best out of.

 

[ZiggySpurs]

In regards to no players playing tribute to Conte after hes left. Do you think levy might have said something to them?

Yeah a bit surprising that there have been no public messages, tributes or even likes on Conte's farewell post from the players yet. There was talk of Jose losing the dressing room and even then a bunch of players wrote tributes to him after he left.

 

[spursfan77]

I would put a lot of money that that is exactly what Arteta and Arsenal were aiming for this season and look at them now.

Honestly I think we over complicate this. It's not that we're cursed, it's not that we've had a rotten mentality throughout the club for decades, it's that every season we compete for trophies against teams who are better than us. And they're better than us because they either have more money, or have picked and executed a better strategy than we have.

I just think we were fucking unlucky not to win one title or even two. We were up against a Leicester side who everyone else wanted to win the league, so many things were against us. If they hadn’t had that run we would have had a free run at the title. Then the following year only Conte getting Chelsea to win 15 odd games on the trot at the end stopped us. When does that happen? Actually, with any luck Arsenal might find out this season with Man City doing it. Then they will be saying the same thing as us 5 years later because I bet this will be their only chance to win the league again for the next who knows how long.

 

[spursfan77]

The collective attitude of our fanbase towards our club right now shows just what an absolute balls up Levy has made in recent years.

I don't buy this stuff about winning mentality, players being losers etc and I'll explain why.

Many of our team have won plenty elsewhere. A good example is Hugo has been here for years and won f all but yet he is a world cup winner. Romero is likely looking at Conte saying this stuff thinking , I've just gone away and won the world cup, who are you digging out. Is Harry Kane a loser? Does he have a bad mentality? Like fuck he does.

What's happened is we have employed two incredibly self centred managers since Poch who are masters at divide and conquer, they will do anything except admit their own shortcomings. Mourinho is way past it and winning the European equivalent of the Sherpa Vans trophy with his bang average Roma team proves nothing. We didn't get the Chelsea or Madrid Mourinho. We got the guy at the end of his career whose ego won't allow him to reconcile that he is no longer the elite .

Conte isn't past it but here you have this overly emotional guy demanding patience when he himself doesn't want to be here. Is it any wonder it went wrong? I mean when he is ranting at the end he wasn't gonna say that he played his part was he?

Two terrible managerial appointments that have highlighted that nobody hates Tottenham as much as Tottenham fans as they have gaslighted us to the point where we seem to be convinced were just a bunch of losers.

Look I think ENIC have no intention whatsoever of challenging for the league. They want top four and anything else is a bonus. The wage to turnover ratio proves this and yes we have a chairman who isn't as clever as he thinks and his involvement in footballing matters is now seriously hurting the club so this is no defence of him.

The players are a mixed bag with some not being good enough and many here with no real plan of how we're going to get the best out of them. Losers though? You don't get to this level if you're a loser.

I promise you if our dear chairman gets the next appointment right, in other words, he gets lucky lots of these players that so many of you hate will soon become heroes again, the squad you think is hopeless and full of losers will soon start to get your confidence again.

We have spent years trying to be something that our board won't pay to be but we still have plenty of good players that the right manager can get the best out of.

Great summary. Spot on there.

 

[Yid-ol]

The collective attitude of our fanbase towards our club right now shows just what an absolute balls up Levy has made in recent years.

I don't buy this stuff about winning mentality, players being losers etc and I'll explain why.

Many of our team have won plenty elsewhere. A good example is Hugo has been here for years and won f all but yet he is a world cup winner. Romero is likely looking at Conte saying this stuff thinking , I've just gone away and won the world cup, who are you digging out. Is Harry Kane a loser? Does he have a bad mentality? Like fuck he does.

What's happened is we have employed two incredibly self centred managers since Poch who are masters at divide and conquer, they will do anything except admit their own shortcomings. Mourinho is way past it and winning the European equivalent of the Sherpa Vans trophy with his bang average Roma team proves nothing. We didn't get the Chelsea or Madrid Mourinho. We got the guy at the end of his career whose ego won't allow him to reconcile that he is no longer the elite .

Conte isn't past it but here you have this overly emotional guy demanding patience when he himself doesn't want to be here. Is it any wonder it went wrong? I mean when he is ranting at the end he wasn't gonna say that he played his part was he?

Two terrible managerial appointments that have highlighted that nobody hates Tottenham as much as Tottenham fans as they have gaslighted us to the point where we seem to be convinced were just a bunch of losers.

Look I think ENIC have no intention whatsoever of challenging for the league. They want top four and anything else is a bonus. The wage to turnover ratio proves this and yes we have a chairman who isn't as clever as he thinks and his involvement in footballing matters is now seriously hurting the club so this is no defence of him.

The players are a mixed bag with some not being good enough and many here with no real plan of how we're going to get the best out of them. Losers though? You don't get to this level if you're a loser.

I promise you if our dear chairman gets the next appointment right, in other words, he gets lucky lots of these players that so many of you hate will soon become heroes again, the squad you think is hopeless and full of losers will soon start to get your confidence again.

We have spent years trying to be something that our board won't pay to be but we still have plenty of good players that the right manager can get the best out of.

We have spent a fair amount recently on player, but we didn't do it at the time we needed to spend big! When poch said we needed too when we got to the cl final.

Managers/players don't treat cup competitions with the respect they need and we go out, that's the manager and players fault, not Levy's IMO.

To me Jose and Conte appointments were wrong and on levy.

No idea who wanted some of our signings, but a good few over the last few seasons that were a fair chunk have not worked out but we can't shift.

I don't blame only the managers or just the players or ENIC/levy, to me they all have fucked up. We need levy gone, at least from the football side of things, a new manager who will bring the players together again not single ones out and not play them for no reason and then also a good clear out and investment in the squad!

 

[mil1lion]

The collective attitude of our fanbase towards our club right now shows just what an absolute balls up Levy has made in recent years.

I don't buy this stuff about winning mentality, players being losers etc and I'll explain why.

Many of our team have won plenty elsewhere. A good example is Hugo has been here for years and won f all but yet he is a world cup winner. Romero is likely looking at Conte saying this stuff thinking , I've just gone away and won the world cup, who are you digging out. Is Harry Kane a loser? Does he have a bad mentality? Like fuck he does.

What's happened is we have employed two incredibly self centred managers since Poch who are masters at divide and conquer, they will do anything except admit their own shortcomings. Mourinho is way past it and winning the European equivalent of the Sherpa Vans trophy with his bang average Roma team proves nothing. We didn't get the Chelsea or Madrid Mourinho. We got the guy at the end of his career whose ego won't allow him to reconcile that he is no longer the elite .

Conte isn't past it but here you have this overly emotional guy demanding patience when he himself doesn't want to be here. Is it any wonder it went wrong? I mean when he is ranting at the end he wasn't gonna say that he played his part was he?

Two terrible managerial appointments that have highlighted that nobody hates Tottenham as much as Tottenham fans as they have gaslighted us to the point where we seem to be convinced were just a bunch of losers.

Look I think ENIC have no intention whatsoever of challenging for the league. They want top four and anything else is a bonus. The wage to turnover ratio proves this and yes we have a chairman who isn't as clever as he thinks and his involvement in footballing matters is now seriously hurting the club so this is no defence of him.

The players are a mixed bag with some not being good enough and many here with no real plan of how we're going to get the best out of them. Losers though? You don't get to this level if you're a loser.

I promise you if our dear chairman gets the next appointment right, in other words, he gets lucky lots of these players that so many of you hate will soon become heroes again, the squad you think is hopeless and full of losers will soon start to get your confidence again.

We have spent years trying to be something that our board won't pay to be but we still have plenty of good players that the right manager can get the best out of.

We've had an identity crisis since we moved stadium. It's like we tried to be one of the big boys but without paying big boy money. We hired the top names in management thinking that was enough. We should have stayed with the path that was successful but even then we failed on the recruitment side for a while. Not only did we not get another coach but we failed to refresh the squad with more young talent. I feel we're nearly there with the rebuild so just need a manager to develop them and things will look good again. Poch built more resilience in the team and we were mentally stronger under him. So we can do the same again with plenty of players young enough. They just need direction on what to do and how too, rather than being directed what to do.

 

[Thenewcat]

I just think we were fucking unlucky not to win one title or even two. We were up against a Leicester side who everyone else wanted to win the league, so many things were against us. If they hadn’t had that run we would have had a free run at the title. Then the following year only Conte getting Chelsea to win 15 odd games on the trot at the end stopped us. When does that happen? Actually, with any luck Arsenal might find out this season with Man City doing it. Then they will be saying the same thing as us 5 years later because I bet this will be their only chance to win the league again for the next who knows how long.

The bad luck was 2016-17, and it wasn’t their winning streak (that was over in January when we beat them), it was injury luck. Chelsea weren’t in Europe and Conte played his first team every week with almost no disruption, we had significant injuries to Toby, Rose, Dembele, Kane and Lamela and minor ones to loads of others. We had just 4 players appear in 35 games in the PL. I’ll go to my grave thinking with equal injury luck we win that title

 

[wearetheparklane]

Some of you have obviously never actually played football. Whatever is run during a game is mostly high intensity sprinting with changes of direction and total mental focus. A jog around the pitch for 2km laughing and chatting to the fella next to you is absolutely nothing. Would expect that anyway just to warm up!

 

[Stamford]

I honestly don't think it's bad luck that we didn't win a title. When you don't win 8 FA cup semi finals in a row and you consistently cannot get over the line in title runs it's a systemic problem. We can't keep putting it down to bad luck. Just an insane way to think and operate

 

[OPModric]

Was after Fulham I think

Before Fulham

Edit: I remember thinking that game Emerson and Dier were more agressive than usual and then we heard about the meeting and I thought they were connected. Can remember wrongly though.

 

[Trix]

I honestly don't think it's bad luck that we didn't win a title. When you don't win 8 FA cup semi finals in a row and you consistently cannot get over the line in title runs it's a systemic problem. We can't keep putting it down to bad luck. Just an insane way to think and operate

I remember doing a coaching course years ago and the old boy that was running it had a youth coaching CV that was off the charts Utd, Ajax, Celtic etc etc. He told us never tell the kids it was bad luck because luck doesn't come into it. If your shot hits the cross bar or the post it wasn't unlucky it was off target. If the ball deflected in off you r tackle it wasn't bad luck and you should have put a better block in. Obviously this has to be done in an encouraging way, "you were so close and with a little more practice you'll get that one in future". He said when kids believe it's all down to luck they won't feel the need to work that little bit harder. From whistle to whistle luck doesn't come into it, only preparation, practice, and performance. That has stuck with me for over a decade.

 

[Japhet]

We've had an identity crisis since we moved stadium. It's like we tried to be one of the big boys but without paying big boy money. We hired the top names in management thinking that was enough. We should have stayed with the path that was successful but even then we failed on the recruitment side for a while. Not only did we not get another coach but we failed to refresh the squad with more young talent. I feel we're nearly there with the rebuild so just need a manager to develop them and things will look good again. Poch built more resilience in the team and we were mentally stronger under him. So we can do the same again with plenty of players young enough. They just need direction on what to do and how too, rather than being directed what to do.

We've invested a lot of money in young talent now though. Romero, Bentancur, Kulusevski, Bissouma, Emerson, Porro, Udogie, Richarlison, Spence. We got the ball rolling with Ndombele, LoCelso and Reguillon too. Overall, I think the hit/miss ratio on those has been fairly good in the overall scheme of things. I genuinely think we're on a 2 or 3 signings away from a very impressive squad, but then again it's hard to think of any top clubs who don't need anything else. Right now I think the right DoF is actually more important than the right manager because we need someone other than Levy to oversee the next few years.

 

[Trent Crimm]

The timeline doesnt add up though. Nice try everyone

Looks like Eric Diers memory recall is as iffy as his defending

 

[parj]

We weren’t seen as an easy roll over under Poch at all, so to say over a decade is disingenuous in my eyes.

The two recent pragmatists blaming the players were also actively protecting their own backsides!

We’ve employed two dinosaurs since Poch, and also pre-Paratici had some very questionable recruitment.

The difference was belief. Poch believed in them so they believed