Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[Coco-1101]

The reason conte is still here is that Levy reading this thread and he will act once he finishes reading all the comments and come to final conclusion. Its like a seesaw situation for him.

 

[C1w8]

I see things in two different spheres -

Objective fact: football is a results based sport, and the best team wins trophies. This cannot be argued whatsoever, it’s the basis for the rules of the game.

Subjective fact: anything else that one would want to put towards their club to be able to call their club successful, for example playing attractive football.

One thing to keep in mind is you can hardly ever argue subjective vs objective facts because objective facts apply to the sport as a whole whereas subjective in this case would only apply to spurs from a spurs fan’s perspective.

Without wanting to drag this facts convo on much further, you lay these two things out in such a binary fashion but its not that simple.

Sometime earlier in this thread you used the "fact" that milan were champions last year to suggest they are not as bad as some were making out.

Yes thats an "objective" fact, but the value you place on it is very subjective. I personally dont put much weight on what they won some 40-50 games ago, so for me that undeniable "fact" means very little as for me the level of a team moves dramatically, its why its so difficult to win 2,3,4 league titles on the trott as an example. You might value it more and that's fair enough.

But you can band facts around all you like without proving anything than just a reason why you have your opinion, its still a subjective matter.

 

[IamSpurtacus]

Find it funny how many times Arsenal and Arteta is used as an argument to give Conte more time here considering they are completely different managers and I'm struggling to find any similarities in those two situations

You are likely right it’s time for Conte to leave

the point of comparison is that we tend to get rid of managers at the first sign of trouble, and never address the underlying issues of poor recruitment and conducting it in a way that undermines the manager

 

[Trent Crimm]

The real show of commitment from conte would be for his family to move over.

That one thing he didn't do, to me, stinks of his non committal attitude to the job at spurs.

Why should they move ?

 

[Trent Crimm]

I don't think people realize how convenient it is to live in a hotel for a guy like Conte.

He works long hours, has no time for upkeep. He lives alone - so no need for a house. I don't know what hotel is is living in, but I imagine it has a good restaurant.

I kind of doubt he is staying in an economy hotel with just a bed, a TV, and a mini-fridge.


Opening up on his living arrangements, Conte said: "For sure [there are advantages], it was a really good choice in this aspect! Then, honestly, I live in the hotel and now the people and the owner, I'm part of their family. They consider me a person that lives there and, for this reason, I want also to use this moment to say thanks because they treat me very well."


Plus, even if he spent £400/night - that runs to £146,000/year. He nets about that each week. Its the equivalent of someone making £100k/year spending about £125 per month on housing.

I’m sure he’s at the Linton travel tavern making friends with Geordie’s and fucking around with traffic cones at night.

 

[wishkah]

I recognise he’s elite and that means if he leaves we might miss that edge in training and it matches. I completely get that if someone can get top
4 an elite manager has a great shot at it.

at the same time I’m not sure it’s this elite manager at this time. We don’t turn up when the going is tough…or moderate…or…light. We fold.

so would the players be better off expressing themselves. Playing with freedom, getting moral up ahead of the inevitable new manager. I think yes.

 

[Cuore da Leone]

I couldn't agree more with this. We as a fan base really need to grow up.

We are definitely lacking humility in pursuing our dreams. To dare is to do while being prepared to be patient. Patience is a virtue for a reason. Our fan base needs to take a very hard look at itself - have we earned the right to be this impatient? Clearly we haven’t.
Conte is a winner and we’re lucky to have him - you can’t detract from his track record. Him not shying away from calling out Levy and the board is admirable. Him not being committed is total nonsense - I think he actually cares a great deal about our club.

 

[eppingyid]

I recognise he’s elite and that means if he leaves we might miss that edge in training and it matches. I completely get that if someone can get top
4 an elite manager has a great shot at it.

at the same time I’m not sure it’s this elite manager at this time. We don’t turn up when the going is tough…or moderate…or…light. We fold.

so would the players be better off expressing themselves. Playing with freedom, getting moral up ahead of the inevitable new manager. I think yes.

I’m a conte fan and I wouldn’t be disappointed if he stays. I’ve often called him elite but I’m starting to question that now due to the fact that he massively struggles with more than one game a week. I get some of that can be down to squad size but he does have previous with it and some of the cup games we’ve lost is just really poor

 

[Tezza1978]

I don't think people realize how convenient it is to live in a hotel for a guy like Conte.

He works long hours, has no time for upkeep. He lives alone - so no need for a house. I don't know what hotel is is living in, but I imagine it has a good restaurant.

I know what hotel he lives in but as I'm not sure its in the public domain I certainly wouldn't say on a website. The guy deserves his privacy. My gaffer was put up there for a night on business and told me that other people sat nearby had bumped into him earlier in the evening and had a chat /took a few selfies -unsurprisingly said he was a thoroughly decent bloke

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Without wanting to drag this facts convo on much further, you lay these two things out in such a binary fashion but its not that simple.

Sometime earlier in this thread you used the "fact" that milan were champions last year to suggest they are not as bad as some were making out.

Yes thats an "objective" fact, but the value you place on it is very subjective. I personally dont put much weight on what they won some 40-50 games ago, so for me that undeniable "fact" means very little as for me the level of a team moves dramatically, its why its so difficult to win 2,3,4 league titles on the trott as an example. You might value it more and that's fair enough.

But you can band facts around all you like without proving anything than just a reason why you have your opinion, its still a subjective matter.

I’ll reply to this privately as to not derail the thread with unrelated conversation but I appreciate your view.

 

[HedgieSpur]

Could well be he's hardly bringing positivity with him anymore. To me we definitely looked far more positive on the ball and more proactive as a team without him.

That's because you don't like Conte and this dislike appears to have removed your ability to be objective.

 

[littlemandefoe]

It's a difficult one because I personally love Conte. I think he is the right manager for this club, I think he needs to be backed and I think, going forward, he can bring success to us. Yes, our football may not be what we're wanting/expecting but if we were to bring in the right players, things would change drastically. I'd say with 100% confidence that at least 4 players who start our games regularly can be replaced immediately. Lloris, Dier, Davies, Royal, Lenglet, Sessegnon, Perisic to name a few. Thats a massive percentage of our first 11. Covering for one player in football is hard enough... (there are players letting us down and the hard work put in) It will be very exciting to see how Udogie does when he comes in officially. Porro looks like he can make that RWB his own. If Udogie does make that LWB spot his own, that covers a massive hole in my opinion. I am resigned to the fact Conte will leave as he hasn't signed a new deal but I really hope, if we finish top 4, that he does stay and builds. LCB and CB is, in my opinion, our biggest priority.

 

[jolsnogross]

I reckon we'll be better off without him. The lack of progress this season represents very poor performance and there's a lot of blame and deflection coming from him instead of forward planning and commitment.

It wouldn't be a disaster if he ends up staying. Maybe in the remaining games this season he can finally string 4 or 5 wins on the trot. But absent a decent uptick, there's no sign of steady improvement that's indicative of building toward success. And watching this deep-lying percentages footy is grim.

 

[hughy]

Still want him gone as soon as possible. We might win our next 2 or 3 games (even that's a push with Brighton on the horizon), but as soon as the tougher fixtures come around he will revert to type and we'll get played off the park by anyone of our level or above.

 

[mattstev2000]

I do wish people would stop saying it was 'a miracle' we finished fourth last season.

We are objectively one of the teams in and around the fourth place battle every season.

Nuno made it difficult but it's not like we went on some invincibles style undefeated streak when Conte took over.

He did a good job, he got us fourth, but I think any number of top coaches in the world could have done that with the resources at his disposal.

Get fourth with wolves or nottingham forest then I'll happily agree you've achieved a miracle.

 

[Trix]

That's because you don't like Conte and this dislike appears to have removed your ability to be objective.

This.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

I know what hotel he lives in but as I'm not sure its in the public domain I certainly wouldn't say on a website. The guy deserves his privacy. My gaffer was put up there for a night on business and told me that other people sat nearby had bumped into him earlier in the evening and had a chat /took a few selfies -unsurprisingly said he was a thoroughly decent bloke

I’ve heard the same tbf from one person I work with.

 

[Stamford]

People in here rewriting history and doing everything they can to not give him any credit for any of the good things he's done.

If he gets top four he's achieved the goals set out by the club

 

[Rout-Ledge]

People in here rewriting history and doing everything they can to not give him any credit for any of the good things he's done.

If he gets top four he's achieved the goals set out by the club

I think that’s probably true, but I think there’s a different conversation about whether it was worth hiring conte for a fixed 18 month term if top four was the endgame in that period. We will need to reset now under a new coach, with (presumably) longer term goals in mind. Seems in that context to be a waste of time.

 

[Stamford]

I think that’s probably true, but I think there’s a different conversation about whether it was worth hiring conte for a fixed 18 month term if top four was the endgame in that period. We will need to reset now under a new coach, with (presumably) longer term goals in mind. Seems in that context to be a waste of time.

Top four is always the end game because of the ownership. I think we're all just bored because we know we arent going any further than that currently