Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[Tucker]

He let them go because his incompetence meant he was over a fucking barrell and for the first time ever he had to hire a manager who wasn’t a fucking puppet and wouldn’t tolerate his bull shit Interfering.

Here we are 14 months down the line and he’s back at it again.

Loaning players out isn’t backing him, it’s a temporary fix meaning the problem returns 12 months later. Im
Not saying we cancel the contracts of anyone we don’t want, that would be ridiculous, but sometimes you have to take a hit on a transfer fee to help clear the decks. It’s the sad reality of the modern game.

He let them go because his incompetence meant he was over a fucking barrell and for the first time ever he had to hire a manager who wasn’t a fucking puppet and wouldn’t tolerate his bull shit Interfering.

Here we are 14 months down the line and he’s back at it again.

Loaning players out isn’t backing him, it’s a temporary fix meaning the problem returns 12 months later. Im
Not saying we cancel the contracts of anyone we don’t want, that would be ridiculous, but sometimes you have to take a hit on a transfer fee to help clear the decks. It’s the sad reality of the modern game.

They’re gone though. He wanted them out, we got them out one way or the other. We can’t force people to buy them, so what you’re essentially asking the club to do it throw money away. Money that could be spent improving the team.

I don’t see anything wrong with loaning players out when we’ve not been able to sell them. It’s not like we didn’t buy expensive midfielders and forwards last summer because we only loaned out GLC and TND.

We’ve had itk that Moura will be released this window if we need to make room in the squad for a signing. And that we’ll do loan deals for Emerson or Spence so we can get the wing back he wants.

 

[rossdapep]

I think my main issue with getting rid of Conte is that it consigns us to mediocrity and also rans. We might be better on the eye in the short term but it will always be business as usual from the top. For me although the football is poor Conte represents the fan base more than any other manager we've had, because he feels exactly the same. We have an opportunity NOW, not in 5 years time after another project. If we accept a manager that'll come in and is happy to work with and somewhat improve the players the board get them then we are accepting that getting by is enough.

We'll go back to being the team that finds the odd gem builds them up then has to sell them to meet their ambitions. When you add in there are more teams now pushing to win NOW than there were under Poch, I think it's fair to say this approach will see pushing for Europa as ambitious as there will be 6 teams happy to outspend us every season. remember the stadium was going to be a game changer, yet DL is still stood here playing the same old games.

World class Stadium
World class Training ground
World class manager
Daniel Levy

That's the worry but maybe a more aligned strategy under ENIC is better for our health and would give us hope, even if it's false.

I'm personally fed up with it all.

I mean, any ambitious club would respond to yesterdays result by attacking the market and doubling down on Conte.

To send a message, this is our guy and we are going to give him what he needs.

I know Conte needs to commit himself, but I think you'll get that of you show him how far you are willing to go.

It's pretty clear to me that there is zero intention of backing him to the tilt and Levy has got cold feet.

So then we are left with the same question....

What was the fucking point in the last 3 years???

 

[Albertbarich]

If Levy keeps meddling, then no.

If we change the manager I don't think we'll be in any stronger position, either. It'll just placate the fans in the short term whilst we have some "new" football to watch.

Enics behaviour is shocking here.

The whole club is in a constant state of unrest all fueled by their total mismanagement of the football team.

Nobody really believes Conte wants to stay long-term, nobody really believes Levy has changed or will changed and nobody is happy with this state of indecision we live in but it carries on and on.

 

[G Ron]

You say this like it's simple and easy to do when the reality is very different. We HAVE been getting who Conte wants. It's not like we can go and pay £400m for Skriniar/Bastoni/Gvardiol/Hakimi. We tried for Bastoni in the summer. He wanted to stay where he was. If you cant sell players you loan them out so that you CAN hopefully sell them. You don''t just flush over £120m down the drain and release them.

This stuff about conte not being backed is absolute revisionist rubbish.

In your opinion.

I disagree we’ve got who Conte wants barring Perisic (on a free funnily enough) and maybe Richarlison). Other than that it’s pretty clear that Conte has had to make do with second and third choices or had to accept compromises and it would appear that all he’ll get this window are compromises.

in my opinion that does not constitute backing the manager.

 

[mmidgers]

Yep but if we don't do you see him winning trophies with us?

I don't.

No one's winning trophies with us while levy decides what's best for the manager. He needs to fuck off out of it

 

[Albertbarich]

That's the worry but maybe a more aligned strategy under ENIC is better for our health and would give us hope, even if it's false.

I'm personally fed up with it all.

I mean, any ambitious club would respond to yesterdays result by attacking the market and doubling down on Conte.

To send a message, this is our guy and we are going to give him what he needs.

I know Conte needs to commit himself, but I think you'll get that of you show him how far you are willing to go.

It's pretty clear to me that there is zero intention of backing him to the tilt and Levy has got cold feet.

So then we are left with the same question....

What was the fucking point in the last 3 years???

And sorry to spam the thread but if this was a one off it would be one thing but this is happening over and over again.

The Nuno appointment, the Mourinho era, screwing over Poch they keep messing up with no recourse.

 

[rossdapep]

They’re gone though. He wanted them out, we got them out one way or the other. We can’t force people to buy them, so what you’re essentially asking the club to do it throw money away. Money that could be spent improving the team.

I don’t see anything wrong with loaning players out when we’ve not been able to sell them. It’s not like we didn’t buy expensive midfielders and forwards last summer because we only loaned out GLC and TND.

We’ve had itk that Moura will be released this window if we need to make room in the squad for a signing. And that we’ll do loan deals for Emerson or Spence so we can get the wing back he wants.

Arsenal have pissed money up the wall.....where are they now?

 

[YB123]

We played 2 in the middle when we won 3-0 though. Its just not as simple as that. For whatever reason we're just not functioning anymore. Son is a shadow of last season. Kulusevski has barely been fit. Bentancur is out. Although I don't know exactly whether it's those things but we just can't get back to where we were end of last season. I just don't see us defend well anymore and break fast and effectively like last season. We look shaky at the back and slow on the break.

Bentancur allows us to do that because of the ground he recovers and the brilliance in his anticipation. It was the same with Conte having Kante at Chelsea.

Those 3 are flying, at top of their game. I'd rather them 3 be stopped than worrying about Zinchenko and White.

You say its not as simple as that but everyone could see it was that simple after about 10mins

 

[Schoolboy Spurs]

The major gripe we all have is his tactics. It’s 5-2-3 every week and we’re getting played off the park most weeks at home.

We bought some young hungry players, Spence, Sarr etc. He seems to want established older players who fit in a rigid system that not many other teams are playing these days.

I mean Brighton are playing a child up front, a rookie at centre back and Lallana behind the striker. They lost their best player when he threw a wobbly and seemed to be improve. Seem to score 3 times a game. They play exactly how most would want us to play. Why can’t Spurs play like that? For me that answer is because he won’t change his tactics.

Conte has told Spence to prove he should be in the first eleven, I like the statement he trains and acts like a championship player, Sarr came straight back from the WC, Conte was impressed with him in training pulled him to one side and now he's in the first eleven starting the NLD and holding his own, 5-2-3 we're supposed to control the ball keep possession not give it away, I agree we will need to put an extra player in the middle, someone said that's what won inter the league with Conte so maybe if get that player it may happen. I think there are loads of valid points but getting rid of Conte is going backwards we've been there the board needs the pressure this time.

 

[Nerine]

Maybe Arsenals dominance this season will be a bit of a wake up call for this club. We can but hope.

 

[Tucker]

Arsenal have pissed money up the wall.....where are they now?

God this is maddeningly circular argument. Did Arsenal immediately cancel the contracts of Guendouzi, or Tavares or did they loan them out to Marseille?

Did Spurs almost immediately move Dele on when Conte wanted or did they not?

 

[TOLBINY]

If indeed there is this Mexican stand-off regarding not backing Conte unless he commits to a new deal, surely you get him to sign a contract that confirms he will be given £'x'M to spend and if not he can quit and THFC have to pay up all his contract and maybe some additional penalty for breach of contract?

That gives the club some certainty, Conte some reassurance and means the club are less likely to less him around.

 

[mmidgers]

Maybe Arsenals dominance this season will be a bit of a wake up call for this club. We can but hope.

Depends on how much it costs levy et el.

 

[PLTuck]

In your opinion.

I disagree we’ve got who Conte wants barring Perisic (on a free funnily enough) and maybe Richarlison). Other than that it’s pretty clear that Conte has had to make do with second and third choices or had to accept compromises and it would appear that all he’ll get this window are compromises.

in my opinion that does not constitute backing the manager.

Of course its my opnion. 99.9% of posts on here are opinions. There shouldnt be a need to caveat every post with it.

So he didnt want Bissouma who bossed many PL midfields, including our own before he came to us? Kulu? Bentancur? Lenglet as a stop gap because we wanted Bastoni but he didnt want to leave inter? Got players we paid a fortune for but Conte didnt want out the door after no buyers came in, even though we reportedly were happy to take a hit on them. Let so called Levy's golden boy go on a free?

If that's not backing, especially considering the coach that wants these players in/out could walk at any given moment I'm not sure what is.

 

[geordiespur]

I'm sorry but for £15m a year you could expect the guy to have some flexibility in how a premier league team plays. To stick with two in the midfield yesterday was unforgivable.

 

[arunspurs]

As a club, we have 3 options...

i) ENIC sell out and chance with a new owner - Fantasyland not happening for now
ii) Go for project mode again- 3 to 5 yr project based coach manager
iii) Continue with Conte

Both ii) & iii) ofcourse needs Levy to fuck off from football management and manager is backed

We are in a groundhog day - at mercy of Levy.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

People keep going on about Conte being an Elite Manager. If he is so Elite, he should be able to adapt his formations tactics to the players he has. That's what he is paid £15m a year for! He may not have the players he wants but they are better than the performances we are getting.

I hope he turns it round but if he doesn't we need to move forward and hire someone who can create a team that is possession based. Id personally go for Luis Enrique.

Poch should be nowhere near the club anytime soon.

We should forget about the obsession with hiring elite managers, as it has been an absolute disaster. Our best appointments are fairly unproven in the form of Poch and Jol. Redknapp was right at the time, because he inherited a talent squad that needed a comforting arm around them.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

I'm sorry but for £15m a year you could expect the guy to have some flexibility in how a premier league team plays. To stick with two in the midfield yesterday was unforgivable.

He'll do the same on Thursday night and we'll have the same outcome.

 

[Monkey boy]

Everything is just rather depressing at the moment isn’t it. So sad to be where we are now after the end of last season when it appeared that the only way was up for us.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Look it’s simple either back him or sack him but sack him and accept that means Kane,Conte,Paratici all go.

Back him and risk spending millions on players we could be stuck with if he doesn’t commit