Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

It may take conte going for people to fully get behind levy/enic out.

Probably only if it comes with Kane leaving or pushing to leave in the summer. Otherwise it seems like there’s enough fans thinking a change of manager is the answer. When is it going to hit home with some of our fans? How many managers?

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Who do the people who want Conte to go actually want to replace him with?

Someone who doesn’t make me want to tear my eyes out when I’m standing in the freezing cold and £70 lighter in the wallet

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

A weaker squad got Conte into the top 4 last season in a considerably more competitive league. We improved the squad (albeit nowhere near enough) and we’ve regressed to Jose/Nuno levels. Questions need to be asked of what on Earth has happened between the full time whistle Vs Norwich and now because it’s not good.

One thing I think worth considering.

We lost a valuable member of the staff, and that never gets mentioned in these discussions.

A loss like that can have a big emotional and mental effect on different people.

It has to be a contributing factor.

 

[GutBucket]

Even if we sack him we will hire some possession based coach who will have 3 technical players in the squad, just to sack him for some dinosaur, just to sack that one for someone who uses a false 9 when we will have 3 giants in attack. Or go back Mendes route and get Gattuso, Lage or Concenciao.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

No no, Levy said we’re getting our identity back remember… then appointed three negative managers!

I don’t mind Spurs not winning I’m used to that after 30 years but 3 years of negative non spurs type boring football is unforgivable, Levy is killing the complete enjoyment of our FOOTBALL club :-(

 

[chrisd2k]

These tactics are reminiscent of Poch with that diamond. I think football has moved on, at least the EPL has.

If the wide CBs actually pushed up into midfield to create the overloads his system needs that would be one thing, but they can't as we can't retain the ball because we are overun in midfield.

Yes yes he's won this and that but look what he's doing now. Yes yes the players aren't very good but he's getting nothing from them. Yes yes look at Arsenal backing Arteta and getting the rewards, but even finishing as low as 8th you could see the side he was trying to create, with nice possession based football straight out of Peps notebook and building that ub by getting the overpaid crap out and blooding the youngsters.

Levy and Enic/board have overseen the decline by poor decision making and choosing profit/building projects over football. Same mistakes over and over again.

There used to be a football club over there...

 

[KaribYid]

2019 - Pochettino out
2021 - Mourinho out
2022 - Nuno out
2023 - Conte out

We can keep calling for the manager to go and each of those managers had a good case to be sacked but when you look at the list of managers above you will see that the problem is bigger than them.

Pochettino - 4231, possession based, high pressing, requires young players
Mourinho - 433, defensive, counter attacking, prefers experience
Nuno - who knows what the fuck he was trying to do but we were told that he would fit our "tradition of attacking football and playing young players,"
Conte - 343, requires very specific players, counter attacking, prefers experience.

It doesn't matter who the manager is. We can sack Conte tomorrow and we'll be back here in 18 months calling for the next guy to be sacked. That's the kind of club we've been for the entirety of Levy's tenure, the five years of Pochettino aside.

We don't have a plan, or a philosophy as a club and a new manager will not change that.

 

[ilikeost]

Conte is a great manager, but not a great Tottenham manager. I hope I'm wrong, because I can't see him getting sacked.

The performances are unacceptable. I don't accept that this is the level of the players in the squad. If it was a manager with less star power than Conte he would have been sacked weeks ago.

 

[Wearegoingtowintheleague]

The really frustrating thing with this game is it played out exactly as predicted.

Overrun in the middle of the pitch, inviting Arsenal onto us and a typical error to gift them the advantage.

Having had a week to prepare I was disappointed with the set up again, and seeing Arsenal take advantages of moves to exploit the space in the same way they did at the Emirates.

It's as if Conte isn't learning or seeing what everyone else can see.

Persisting with a formation that doesn't work as we don't have the players for it is suicide. A top manager should have more than one formation, especially when game after game it's leaving us overrun.

 

[Trees]

2019 - Pochettino out
2021 - Mourinho out
2022 - Nuno out
2023 - Conte out

We can keep calling for the manager to go and each of those managers had a good case to be sacked but when you look at the list of managers above you will see that the problem is bigger than them.

Pochettino - 4231, possession based, high pressing, requires young players
Mourinho - 433, defensive, counter attacking, prefers experience
Nuno - who knows what the fuck he was trying to do but we were told that he would fit our "tradition of attacking football and playing young players,"
Conte - 343, requires very specific players, counter attacking, prefers experience.

It doesn't matter who the manager is. We can sack Conte tomorrow and we'll be back here in 18 months calling for the next guy to be sacked. That's the kind of club we've been for the entirety of Levy's tenure, the five years of Pochettino aside.

We don't have a plan, or a philosophy as a club and a new manager will not change that.

I couldn’t have put it better myself. It’s almost like we stumbled upon Poch.

Levy / ENIC ideas are tired. Time for a change.

 

[Rogmeister]

Do not give this bloke a new contract.


The definition of insanity springs to mind currently.


The same tactics etc every game Even though it isn't working .

 

[Humbolt]

Get rid. His tactics are obvious. He's too stubborn to change anything. He clearly doesn't want to be here but the worst thing for me is the style of football is boring as fuck. I remember wanting to watch Spurs because win or lose they entertained us. Watching Spurs is a chore and has been for a while.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Conte is a great manager, but not a great Tottenham manager. I hope I'm wrong, because I can't see him getting sacked.

The performances are unacceptable. I don't accept that this is the level of the players in the squad. Players like Bissouma bossed mifields almost on his own for Brighton, Richarlison won games on his own for Everton. If it was a manager with less star power than Conte he would have been sacked weeks ago.

These very players were performing well under Conte less than a year ago. No idea what’s changed, but as you said, the performances are unacceptable. We need to revert to project managers who try and play football. Hopefully Kane will stay but we can’t let his contract situation dictate this decision.

 

[faze_coys]

Even Merson calling it 100% right on sky now

 

[spurs9]

A weaker squad got Conte into the top 4 last season in a considerably more competitive league. We improved the squad (albeit nowhere near enough) and we’ve regressed to Jose/Nuno levels. Questions need to be asked of what on Earth has happened between the full time whistle Vs Norwich and now because it’s not good.

This. People say it's the players others say it's the formation, well both looked fantastic at times at the end of last season.

If we cast our minds back to last season, we are playing like we did when Conte first arrived. One thing that was said at the time, was our fitness was poor (jokes about banning tomato sauce when AC first arrived) and once that improved, we looked like a different team.

There were reports that we had tweaked our fitness regime to deal with the world cup mid-season. I genuinely think this is true, but tragically our fitness coach (one of the best in the business) passed away suddenly, so the periodisation is off.

Anyone who's played a sport in both peak condition/sharpness and poor condition will tell you that you will be a completely different player in each, it doesn't just effect speed, stamina and strength, it also effects co-ordination, decision making and confidence.

 

[wspur]

Our peers in the league now are Brighton and Fulham in terms of points. For performances we are closer to Everton. You are telling me that with Son, Kane, Bentancur, Kulusevski, Richarlison, Romero, Perisic, Hojbjerg and Bissouma this is the best you can do.

 

[Rosco1984]

Probably only if it comes with Kane leaving or pushing to leave in the summer. Otherwise it seems like there’s enough fans thinking a change of manager is the answer. When is it going to hit home with some of our fans? How many managers?

KAnes got to go at somepoint either transfered or retired. Would prefer he stayed but bale left and after a year of standing still we got better. The c;ub has to be bigger than any player.

 

[Trees]

Football is evolving all the time.

Has Klopp been found out ? Conte looking a bit of a dinosaur ?

Root and branch change needed. Levy and ENIC gone and a coach with an attacking philosophy.

I watched Napoli the other night and that could be us !

 

[Hotspur88]

Honestly don't know where we go from here. It's a complete and utter shitshow!

Conte needs better players to be able to play the way he wants to. If he isn't going to be given those players, then he needs to leave and we can bring in a manager who can get more out of the current crop of shite. I don't want Conte to leave, but unless we are actually going to back him, then there is no point him being here! Because there are many other managers like Poch etc who would get us playing some attractive attacking football if the club just want to continue treading water. I honestly don't know what's going to happen but at the moment, we aren't getting results, and we aren't playing well. We aren't winning trophies and the football is horrific to watch so it's a terrible combination.

I pray we have some investment coming in because if we don't, we are in for a very painful few years.

I am sick and tired of the way this club is being run on the field! I cannot believe that after 30 minutes of a NLD, I had accepted the fact today's game was over and we had lost. What a sad place to be in.

We are in the middle of the window with no sign of any incomings and we are still stuck with the mediocre players we can't get rid of because of previous mistakes. Lloris, Doherty Dier, Lenglet & Sessegnon were 5 of our 6 defenders today. Romero was very poor also but is a baller and is easily good enough, but the other 5 players who have started for us in a NLD are nowhere near the required level. I got a bit of flack the other week when I looked over the combined XI and only had 4 of our players in it (Romero, Kane, Bentancur and Kulusevski). Well after today I feel justified to be honest because Arsenal absolutely schooled us today.

Where do we go from here?! We are completely lost! ?

 

[cjbyid]

Even if we sack him we will hire some possession based coach who will have 3 technical players in the squad, just to sack him for some dinosaur, just to sack that one for someone who uses a false 9 when we will have 3 giants in attack. Or go back Mendes route and get Gattuso, Lage or Concenciao.

This. We're in a bad place and will be for a while. Until something changes up above or we get lucky like we did with poch, we screwed.