Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[ajspurs]

I think fatigue is also responsible for the inconsistency in general- Conte has brought in a high fitness regime and the players bodies aren't used to it. They perform well after a longer break between games but can't after short ones, hence WLWLWLL. He's trying to do pre-season catch up during the season.

Yeah I think that could be the case also, it's easy to forget all of that. Could also be the reason why we played the game last night as we did. I don't want to make excuses for not beating a championship side but I'm not sure we had the condition to press Boro as we all would have liked and playing a more reserved game was possibly the price we had to pay to play the same 11 players once again. It could have easily paid off if there wasn't sloppiness from practically all of our forward players but sloppiness is also a consequence of tiredness I guess. If fatigue was in the back of the coaching staff's mind when preparing for the game it doesn't seem like the most illogical approach, especially considering how good we normally are on the break.

I mean I won't hold my breath but hopefully we'll actually start to see a bit more consistency with more time in between matches as well as Skipp and Bentancur back.

 

[double0]

I keep seeing the coach vs manager argument on here and I was thinking about it after the game last night.

Before I continue, I absolutely do not want to see Conte sacked. We need to support and back him well into next season, unless something insane like a relegation battle happens.

But I do wonder about this handful of "elite" managers and what it truly means. I'm starting think that managers like Conte, Jose, Pep etc are indeed world class managers, but only at elite clubs. What I mean by this is these are the top managers that belong at the top clubs, clubs set up for success. They manage the highest expectations, deal with the most pressure, handle the biggest egos and are on the right side of those small margins that make a successful team.

Then you have managers you might call coaches, such a Poch, Potter and Hasenhuttl. These coaches create well drilled teams that are often better than the sum of their parts. They exceed expectations. These managers are often successful at those clubs outside of elite, but inside the top 10 of their respective leagues. Well run clubs with a good mixture of impressionable and eager youth and experience.

Then you get the relegation fighting managers, maybe like Allardyce and Dyce . The managers that keep teams up, play the most practical, pragmatic football. It isn't the prettiest but these managers get the best out of average players, often on low budgets.

Could Guardiola stroll into Burnley and outperform Dyce? Could Allardyce do what Conte does? No. Managers and clubs are not always comparable. There are different, expectations, setups and challenges.

I guess my point is, is Conte at Spurs a bit like putting diesel in your Ferrari? Are we ever going to act like a big club. If not, the whole thing is pointless isn't it?

Just some thoughts / poor quality opinions.

Stopped reading when I saw Potter.

 

[EQP]

They always look at post-match clips and highlights to show the players and staff what went wrong and went worked well. There is no way in hell Conte isn't aware that Winks is a liability in a CM2, so we have to ask why Conte feels the need to keep deploying him in a CM2. Sure, we lack viable options with Bentancur and Skipp but persisting with Winks and hoping he comes good is dumb. If this season is being touted as a write off, I want to see Conte take some risks. I'm going to channel my inner bus-conductor and suggest he deploy Romero as a DM and move Kulusevski central. Romero is extremely comfortable with the ball at his feet and his defensive work is phenomenal, plus he's always eager to support the attack whenever he can. Kulu is also comfortable as a CM and we know he'll run up and down the pitch and does significantly more defensive work than Winks.

Hugo
Sanchez - Dier - Davies
Romero
Doherty - PEH - Kulusevski - Reguillon
Kane -- Son​

 

[mil1lion]

They always look at post-match clips and highlights to show the players and staff what went wrong and went worked well. There is no way in hell Conte isn't aware that Winks is a liability in a CM2, so we have to ask why Conte feels the need to keep deploying him in a CM2. Sure, we lack viable options with Bentancur and Skipp but persisting with Winks and hoping he comes good is dumb. If this season is being touted as a write off, I want to see Conte take some risks. I'm going to channel my inner bus-conductor and suggest he deploy Romero as a DM and move Kulusevski central. Romero is extremely comfortable with the ball at his feet and his defensive work is phenomenal, plus he's always eager to support the attack whenever he can. Kulu is also comfortable as a CM and we know he'll run up and down the pitch and does significantly more defensive work than Winks.

Hugo
Sanchez - Dier - Davies
Romero
Doherty - PEH - Kulusevski - Reguillon
Kane -- Son​

So we replace a poor Winks with a poor Sanchez and move one of our best defenders out of defence into an alien position. Or we just wait for Skipp and Bentancur to return which shouldn't be long.

 

[synththfc]

i’ll be shocked if he’s here come the start of next season, personally.

 

[EQP]

So we replace a poor Winks with a poor Sanchez and move one of our best defenders out of defence into an alien position. Or we just wait for Skipp and Bentancur to return which shouldn't be long.

I take it you've just recently become a Spurs fan?

 

[danielneeds]

i’ll be shocked if he’s here come the start of next season, personally.

If he’s not planning to be here next season, then he would walk now. There’s next to no reason to stay otherwise and he doesn’t need the few months extra money.

 

[Trix]

i’ll be shocked if he’s here come the start of next season, personally.

The only way he's gone is if he doesn't get the backing he's been promised in the Summer. Levy did exactly what he was asked to do in January(which was unprecedented), so lets see if he follows through with what he's promised. If he does and we get who we are looking to bring in, I think we'll all be happy including Conte.

 

[Duke of Northumberland]

The only way he's gone is if he doesn't get the backing he's been promised in the Summer. Levy did exactly what he was asked to do in January(which was unprecedented), so lets see if he follows through with what he's promised. If he does and we get who we are looking to bring in, I think we'll all be happy including Conte.

You'd like to think he's at a stage where he wants to show he can build a competitive team from a lower level, and he has said so, and the club is set up for it.

On the other hand if he's approached from somewhere where success is easier (PSG?) he might consider it, I guess. He'll want to maintain his brand.

 

[Archibald-CPH]

Conte can only play a 343 formation, if he doesn’t have the quality players for this formation, he still plays it. A good manager works with what they have, we should be playing 352 or 442, but conte can’t do that. People will not like this, but I think conte is one dimensional and he wouldn’t bother me, if he goes…

He needs to play to the squads strenght.... which is not 3-4-3

 

[HedgieSpur]

It's unbelievable that fan genuinely think us missing out on players to Liverpool is due to simple money rather than the fact that they are clearly bigger and better than us.

On that basis then, I'd like us spend less time pursuing pipe dream players and focus on players who are infinitely more gettable and who are showing the potential for the desired attributes the manager wants. Imo, we should/should have targeted players like Zakaria, Soumare, Daka, Leao, Sangare, Bottmann, David rather than fixate on Dybala, Lautaro, Kessie etc all of whom will have offers from clubs that are "clearly bigger and better than us".

We need to start being a lot lot smarter in the transfer market again imo.

 

[Hakkz]

I'm sorry, do you have me confused with someone else? I don't have an anti-Levy agenda. Quite the contrary, he's done some great things for the Club.

Recognising his faults and mistakes, of which are plenty, isn't having an anti-Levy agenda. Oppositely, if you're sitting there saying that anyone who criticises Levy has an agenda, it probably means you are the one with the pro-Levy agenda pal.

He's made some royal cock-ups in his time and if, and I state again IF, he's brought in Conte to polish current turds, or build a team with a 3+ year plan, then it will be the biggest cock up yet.

What part of that do you disagree with and why is it anti-Levy?

Because again, Levy won't be negotiating any deals in the summer. Paratici will. Therefore you talking about Levy's MO is pointless and is only a stick to beat him with in this case.

 

[taidgh]

I’m starting to properly question my support of the club for the first time in over 30 years. I just can’t be fucked with the constant disappointment and being let down. I’m really starting to question my own intelligence investing my own emotions, time and money into this club. It’s results like that (again) that makes me think the club is making mugs of us all. I know it’s not good for me so why do I do it?

Could never had known form your post over the last year or so. It's obviously been there for a while.

 

[Thewobbler]

He will stay whilst we're still in the hunt for top 4. I don't think he will walk if we don't get it, im sure he will give us one full season to see if he can actually achieve anything with us.

 

[Gb160]

I’m starting to properly question my support of the club for the first time in over 30 years. I just can’t be fucked with the constant disappointment and being let down. I’m really starting to question my own intelligence investing my own emotions, time and money into this club. It’s results like that (again) that makes me think the club is making mugs of us all. I know it’s not good for me so why do I do it?

Mentally I checked out about 3 years ago, kinda picked up again briefly with the appointments of Mourinho, then Conte, but it was pretty short lived.
I think it was leaving the Lane that did it for me, going to games just wasn’t the same.
I mean, I still watch every game, obviously want us to win every game, but I just don’t invest as much emotionally and the disappointing results don’t affect me as much.
About 10 minutes after the final whistle yesterday I’d completely forgotten about it, and haven’t given it a second thought today.
Fair play to the fans who travel home and away....because fuck that.

 

[shelfboy68]

i’ll be shocked if he’s here come the start of next season, personally.

We will have to wait and see of course but I think this club will do what no other club has done and will beat him.

 

[slartibartfast]

We will have to wait and see of course but I think this club will do what no other club has done and will beat him.

Sorry to say I agree. All very well saying he wont go as long he's backed in the Summer but do any of us really believe he will be because I don't. Really hope I'm wrong but we have never seen anything to suggest he will be. Nobody else has ever been backed properly so why now change direction.
If I was Conte or Kane I'd be halfway out the door now. Clubs a fucking bad joke.

 

[shelfboy68]

Sorry to say I agree. All very well saying he wont go as long he's backed in the Summer but do any of us really believe he will be because I don't. Really hope I'm wrong but we have never seen anything to suggest he will be. Nobody else has ever been backed properly so why now change direction.
If I was Conte or Kane I'd be halfway out the door now. Clubs a fucking bad joke.

I feel the same mate I can't see anything being different in the summer it almost doesn't feel right thinking a spurs manager will be given the green light to go for it.
I already mentioned in another thread what is Kane going to achieve by staying other than club record scorer and that's it.

 

[Ginola+Tonic]

If we’re to assume the narrative of Conte’s teams struggle with two games a week, we could definitely do with Southampton knocking West Ham out of the FA cup tonight.
Because Tottenham v West Ham is scheduled in for the quarter final weekend so we’d have all week to prepare.
If West Ham go through tonight it’ll get moved to a couple of weeks later in a midweek slot.

So basically come on the saints.

 

[THE SPURSBOY]

Haven’t we got Brighton in the week before we play West Ham