European Super League Mega Thread

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

Cheers

That's just stupid from the trust, they've just refused to take our only possible means of the club communicating what they were thinking and allowing us to challenge them and get them to consider our view.

They moan about being cut out the decision process and a lack of dialogue then turn down dialogue ffs

Agreed. Comes across as grandstanding.

I'm going to guess that 100% of Spurs fans would have wanted to hear what the club has to say - even if they don't like what they hear. As it is now, Spurs won't be pushed further into the spotlight and can remain as frustratingly tight lipped as they have been.

Even if Levy and Cullen had given preprepared answers, we - the fans - would have learned something. Very annoying that THST passed up the opportunity.

 

[C0YS]

They’ve done good work in the past but I think it is the wrong move. Doesn’t mean I think they‘ve always done things incorrectly. I have said that enough times and cant be bothered to repeat myself again. I am fully aware of their role, what I didn’t realise people were so protective of a tiny bit of criticism about them. Very strange.

I think it feels like you've misrepresented the organisation by stating that they are out of touch, when I think a to of opinions here are frankly out of touch with the majority of Spurs fans, and by also stating that they don't speak for all spurs fans, when they might not represent your view, but they do actually, functionally, represent spurs fans. Technically even those who voted against the motion.

I think the frustrating thing, and it's okay to disagree with strategy, is that right now THST is part of the solution not part of the problem. Similarly, it's dismissing without building, which is really easy to do but is not productive. What would be a better solution in reaction to ESL stuff? I think generally this is an issue. You can criticise, but what do you stand for, what do you think should happen? And right now people instead focus on the imperfections of such actors rather than focusing on those responsible for this mess and how to have solutions that give fans more entrenched powers.

 

[Saoirse]

I do see THST's point of view here. They've previously had meetings with the board where it's now clear they've just been flat-out lied to. What's the point of giving them the platform to lie some more right now?

 

[C0YS]

Agreed. Comes across as grandstanding.

I'm going to guess that 100% of Spurs fans would have wanted to hear what the club has to say - even if they don't like what they hear. As it is now, Spurs won't be pushed further into the spotlight and can remain as frustratingly tight lipped as they have been.

Even if Levy and Cullen had given preprepared answers, we - the fans - would have learned something. Very annoying that THST passed up the opportunity.

It depends. Strategically when you create such relationships like THST are doing you can very much put the board under the spotlight, and you reduce the chance of Levy and Co. trying to PR their way out of it. But it needs to be followed by future actions, such as a boycott. I think not attending the meeting may have been a slight misstep but setting clear (and dare I say unrealistic) demands is very much the logical thing to do strategically.

The endpoint is to apply enough pressure so the club is forced to engage with the demands if other pressures don't offer a solution. The way you do that is by creating enough disruption that it's in the club's interests to do so. Generally, in football, one of the big problems are the reluctance of these fan things to actually enact economic damage onto their own clubs, such as not attending games, not buying merch etc. These are things, that really should happen, when the initial demands are rejected.

 

[MassadaTom]

I do see THST's point of view here. They've previously had meetings with the board where it's now clear they've just been flat-out lied to. What's the point of giving them the platform to lie some more right now?

Becouse their reason to exist is to mediate between board and supporters.
How can they communicate our voice to Levy if they refuse to communicate?

 

[wrd]

Agreed. Comes across as grandstanding.

I'm going to guess that 100% of Spurs fans would have wanted to hear what the club has to say - even if they don't like what they hear. As it is now, Spurs won't be pushed further into the spotlight and can remain as frustratingly tight lipped as they have been.

Even if Levy and Cullen had given preprepared answers, we - the fans - would have learned something. Very annoying that THST passed up the opportunity.

Completely agree, one of the things I've been critical of is that we haven't had any communication other than that statement and now I know why.

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

I do see THST's point of view here. They've previously had meetings with the board where it's now clear they've just been flat-out lied to. What's the point of giving them the platform to lie some more right now?

Because they could have communicated to the wider fanbase what the club had said and we could then have judged it for ourselves.

If the club makes mealy-mouthed excuses, I want to hear them. If it shows no remorse, I want to know it. If it is evasive, I want to know that too. As it is, we have been denied the opportunity to learn anything at all.

 

[goughie1966]

European Super League: Clubs 'cannot leave', says Real Madrid president Florentino Perez - BBC Sport

Real Madrid president Florentino Perez says the 12 clubs that agreed to join a new European Super League have "binding contracts" and "cannot leave". Nine of the 12 teams, including all six Premier League clubs, withdrew from the proposed tournament on Tuesday after the plan sparked a furious backlash.

Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus have not yet abandoned the project. "I don't need to explain what a binding contract is, but effectively the clubs cannot leave," Perez told newspaper AS.

"Some of them, due to pressure, have said they're leaving. But this project, or one very similar, will move forward and I hope very soon."

 

[mill]

While we’re at it let’s send Cardiff Swansea and wrecsam back to the league of wales

Wrecsam? Is that allardyce after 5 pints of wine?

 

[mr ashley]

Wrecsam? Is that allardyce after 5 pints of wine?

I think that’s how they spell it over by there

 

[spursfan77]

European Super League: Clubs 'cannot leave', says Real Madrid president Florentino Perez - BBC Sport

Real Madrid president Florentino Perez says the 12 clubs that agreed to join a new European Super League have "binding contracts" and "cannot leave". Nine of the 12 teams, including all six Premier League clubs, withdrew from the proposed tournament on Tuesday after the plan sparked a furious backlash.

Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus have not yet abandoned the project. "I don't need to explain what a binding contract is, but effectively the clubs cannot leave," Perez told newspaper AS.

"Some of them, due to pressure, have said they're leaving. But this project, or one very similar, will move forward and I hope very soon."

It really hasn’t gone away. They’ll be back in a couple of years with another proposal but in a more stealthy fashion whilst the American owners are around and the elite across Europe remain jealous of the Premier League’s wealth.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

490 people voted for something they think they represent all fans on. If you see how they respond to people in the past on Twitter they are rude and dismissive. Just look at the responses to their tweets and you’ll see it’s probably 90% of people disagreeing with them!

The club offered them a meeting to discuss things according to their statement. Maybe attending it would of been a good idea. Not doing that just screams of having a tantrum and I suspect the last chance they’ll get to speak to the club directly again.

Club didn’t co

Wonder if he thought of that idea all on his own, this is original tweet

lol so basically the champions league then

 

[Bobbins]

Yet they chose not to engage with the club and not take the meeting offered to them by the board. Every other club met with their supporters‘ clubs when offered yet the trust chose not to. Now they have zero ground to stand on if the club refuse to meet with them in the future. So they can’t complain about that. That’s what people have a problem with if you look online.

And your wrong about people not engaging with the club. We do it by buying tickets. If people don’t like what’s happening, the best way is to vote with their feet. Most people obviously are happy with how things are run because the stadium was always full.

And that was exactly the right decision because if you read the statement, it clearly says that the club offered "an informal conversation" and the THST wanted it minuted - because, as they said repeatedly, they've now discovered that they've been consistently lied to by the board.

So good for them for telling the club to stick it and not pandering to their no-doubt placating bollocks that they would've come up with.

And they don't have zero ground to stand on - they simply have to insist that meetings are recorded and the club has to stop lying. If that's what people have a problem with online, then they need to get their facts straight.

And you don't engage with the club because you don't stop buying tickets. You can't claim that's your method of engagement one week and the next see 62,000 people turn up giving the club £50 each - if that's engagement, then it's sending the board the message that they can do what they like.

I mean one of these protestors was holding a club shop bag having just given the club money before he went to hold his "Levy out" banner

 

[Metalhead]

The hypocrisy surrounding the breakaway super league and the increased wealth of the clubs involved is obvious
Let’s start with UEFA. Their system of allowing all teams that finish 3rd in Champions League groups to go into the Europa knock outs is simply to get better teams in it, more games and more income. They,now plan changes to the Champions League that will mean more teams,more games and more money.
Let’s look at closer home, David Moyes is advocating that Celtic and Rangers join the Premier League. How,would that not ruin the SPL? Hypocrite!
The Everton chairman had stated that all 6 clubs who wanted to go into the new super league should be docked points. Would this not give Everton a wonderful chance of qualifying for the Champions League themselves. Hypocrite!
Just makes me wonder how any other club would have reacted if they were approached about joining the new league.

Yeah I agree about the points docking - that's just a blatant attempt to gain an advantage for his club under the guise of punishment. Tbf I haven't heard anyone actually feeling sorry for UEFA or the champions League broadcasters over this. It's clearly one vested interest protecting itself from another.

 

[thebenjamin]

It's fucking mad how incompetent this was. The money from JP Morgan was effectively the clubs borrowing that money and paying themselves with their own loan. And the whole things was based in the assumption that they could pay off that money by getting a better broadcasting deal than the Champions League has. But without having enough teams, any sponsors, or any legal framework to pull it off.

There wasn't actually any money in it. It wasn't lucrative. It just said it was but with zero backing it up.

Genuinely an absolutely shambolic joke. It really is a resignation issue. I'm not surprised at Levy going for the concept but I am surprised at him signing up to something that was essentially nothing. In truth it actually risked the clubs financial future far more than it would ever have benefitted it.

 

[RichieS]

Club didn’t co

lol so basically the champions league then

Except it'd no doubt just be the top 4 from each of England, Spain, Italy, Germany and France in Perez's dream, thereby locking out actual Champions from "lesser" leagues. That said, UEFA have long been doing that themselves with the incorrectly named CL.

 

[ShayLaB]

So, after being part of the cabal that attempted to destroy football are we expecting any sort of repercussions?

European ban? Ponts deduction? Fine?

We tried.

We failed.

Do we just walk away ready to try again some other day without consequence?

 

[sherbornespurs]

European Super League: Clubs 'cannot leave', says Real Madrid president Florentino Perez - BBC Sport

Real Madrid president Florentino Perez says the 12 clubs that agreed to join a new European Super League have "binding contracts" and "cannot leave". Nine of the 12 teams, including all six Premier League clubs, withdrew from the proposed tournament on Tuesday after the plan sparked a furious backlash.

Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus have not yet abandoned the project. "I don't need to explain what a binding contract is, but effectively the clubs cannot leave," Perez told newspaper AS.

"Some of them, due to pressure, have said they're leaving. But this project, or one very similar, will move forward and I hope very soon."

Perez is reacting like Donald Trump when it was plainly obvious he'd lost the White house. Perez is facing complete financial melt down due to the way in which he's run Real Madrid for the past 20yrs years, and he's now realised there is no path left open for him - he is utterly clueless and in complete denial.

 

[LSUY]

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[easley91]

Yet they chose not to engage with the club and not take the meeting offered to them by the board. Every other club met with their supporters‘ clubs when offered yet the trust chose not to. Now they have zero ground to stand on if the club refuse to meet with them in the future. So they can’t complain about that. That’s what people have a problem with if you look online.

And your wrong about people not engaging with the club. We do it by buying tickets. If people don’t like what’s happening, the best way is to vote with their feet. Most people obviously are happy with how things are run because the stadium was always full.

They chose not to, because the board cannot be trusted. They will say one thing and do another. Just think of the PL meetings where this lot were rocking up but in the background working on this ESL nonsense.