Eric Dier

[N'Obody]

He’s not mediocre.

Yes he's not mediocre.. He's Dier.

 

[alfie103]

Nice, intelligent lad who cares about the club. There’s a reason he’s stood out to every manager we’ve had. He’s so far down our list of problems.

But his main job is to be a footballer which he isn't doing well enough. I don't understand why people seemed to get so attached to footballers.

 

[Nebby]

Yes he's not mediocre.. He's Dier.

I find your lack of faith disturbing

 

[isaac94]

If we're comparing him to Van Dijk or Romero, no he's not as good as those (although this season neither Van Dijk or Romero have been that good either). You've got a lot of CBs in the top - Saliba, Gabriel, Dias, Ake, Stones, Varane, Martinez, Botman - who have ups and downs too, and I'd argue at the end of last season Dier more than suited a top four team, cos he literally did. I'm not arguing he's Beckenbauer: I'm suggesting that when you see the nightmares the likes of Koulibaly have had this season maybe it's not so easy to fix. He's a good lad with a good head on his shoulders and good ability, which Conte and Mourinho agreed upon: we've got far, far worse problems than a player who makes mistakes but is unquestionably committed.

I would take Koulibaly over Dier in a heartbeat, despite having a poor season his still wanted by Juventus, who would dier be wanted by?

 

[RuskyM]

But his main job is to be a footballer which he isn't doing well enough. I don't understand why people seemed to get so attached to footballers.

I also don’t think he’s bad at football. And sure, but if that’s the case then you can’t say “players don’t look like they care”. Eric genuinely does care. That counts for a lot to me.

 

[alfie103]

I also don’t think he’s bad at football. And sure, but if that’s the case then you can’t say “players don’t look like they care”. Eric genuinely does care. That counts for a lot to me.

He might care but you might as well as get one of us in then if that is the main criteria. He isn't doing his job as a centre back and he doesn't seem to be showing much leadership on the pitch.

 

[Stamford]

Just because when he’s been underperforming so have the majority of our players. This is why we have lists of 20 players who need to go. Definitely a few will not fit in the next iteration but writing off after this terrible period of the club is knee jerk, even though it’s a prolonged issue. I feel like we should half the squad but it’s not practical or helpful, and will not happen. A clear out rarely equates to 15-20 first team squad players, and most of them will perform well as squad players.

many have not rated Dier for a lot longer than this year. It's the obvious position that needs upgrading regardless of team turnover

 

[Joely]

He might care but you might as well as get one of us in then if that is the main criteria. He isn't doing his job as a centre back and he doesn't seem to be showing much leadership on the pitch.

Spot on. This is elite sport with lots at stake and bottom line is he doesn't have the ability to move us forward. This is a 29 year old who has struggled to show that he will ever be a good CB let alone top quality.

This whole he really cares because he says the right things in a somewhat articulate manner is overblown and for me doesn't prove he cares any more than some of the rest of the squad. He has it pretty good at the moment and lets be honest any move for him will likely be a step down so not surprised he says the right things and tries to come across as an important part of the squad.

 

[McFlash]

He’s not mediocre.

What attribute does he have that makes him stand out to you?
I've always defended Dier (as I do most of our players) but to be perfectly honest, he's the epitome of mediocre.

 

[Nebby]

What attribute does he have that makes him stand out to you?
I've always defended Dier (as I do most of our players) but to be perfectly honest, he's the epitome of mediocre.

Over 250 games in the toughest league in the world. You can’t blag that or fake it.

 

[McFlash]

Over 250 games in the toughest league in the world. You can’t blag that or fake it.

Mostly all while the team he is in has regressed.
Plenty of mediocre players make loads of appearances but that doesn't make them good.

If amount of games played is how you judge a players ability...well, I don't really know how to respond to that!

 

[Nebby]

Mostly all while the team he is in has regressed.
Plenty of mediocre players make loads of appearances but that doesn't make them good.

If amount of games played is how you judge a players ability...well, I don't really know how to respond to that!

You don’t think longevity in the toughest league in the world is an indicator of talent?

 

[McFlash]

You don’t longevity in the toughest league in the world is an indicator of talent?

John O'Shea had 256 appearances for Utd.
That's just the first example that jumped to mind of a player who was mediocre and got plenty of appearances.

So no, I don't.

Edit. Chris Perry had 363 premier league appearances FFS.

 

[Nebby]

John O'Shea had 256 appearances for Utd.
That's just the first example that jumped to mind of a player who was mediocre and got plenty of appearances.

So no, I don't.

Edit. Chris Perry had 363 premier league appearances FFS.

So Ferguson can’t spot a blagger? Do me a favour.

 

[Joely]

John O'Shea had 256 appearances for Utd.
That's just the first example that jumped to mind of a player who was mediocre and got plenty of appearances.

So no, I don't.

Edit. Chris Perry had 363 premier league appearances FFS.

Spot on. Think Even Titus Bramble, one of the worst defenders I think I've seen, played 290 odd premier league games and no doubt there are plenty of other poor/mediocre players who've racked up loads of games.....not sure how that can be used as an indicator of talent.

 

[McFlash]

So Ferguson can’t spot a blagger? Do me a favour.

Mate, what are you on about?
O'Shea was a perfectly fine back up player, as Dier would be.
My point is that he's not good enough to be starting for a team at the level we want to be.

You were the one that responded to my question on his attributes with how many games he's played...which wasn't even an answer in fairness.

I'm not sure whether you're being willfully obtuse or just trying to deflect now but you're going off on a tangent.

I'll ask again, what do you think his attributes are that make him anything other than mediocre?

 

[kremlyn]

Mostly all while the team he is in has regressed.
Plenty of mediocre players make loads of appearances but that doesn't make them good.

If amount of games played is how you judge a players ability...well, I don't really know how to respond to that!

Kane has also been part of that

 

[McFlash]

Kane has also been part of that

Eh?

 

[DannyNZ]

If we want to progress as a team we need to upgrades in so many areas. But the priority must be keeper and centre back. Dier may be ok as a backup but his days as our starting CB should be numbered.

 

[bceej]

many have not rated Dier for a lot longer than this year. It's the obvious position that needs upgrading regardless of Swiss turnover

No doubt we need an upgrade, just don’t think he’s remotely first out of the door.