Eric Dier

[C0YS]

Fully agree with that, I really don't think he had any threatening intention at all. But people feeling threatened was a reasonably foreseeable consequence of his actions.



He definitely did, but that doesn't remotely excuse turning it into a physical confrontation

But was it reasonably foreseeable for him at that specific moment?

 

[C0YS]

It's not that it should be but that's the way it is.

Dier running into the crowd isn't suddenly going to stop abuse from the stands.

Mate, nothing is fixed for ever. 'The way it is' doesn't cut it. It doesn't make it any more acceptable at it doesn't mean it should be tolerated.

 

[archiewasking]

The FA handing out justice fairly and impartially as usual.

 

[King of Otters]

If that’s your standpoint then fair enough. I just have a stones in glasshouse approach when judging people’s emotional reactions.

That's fair enough, particularly as you are widely known for your notoriously violent temper.

 

[King of Otters]

Jesus that's a bit extreme.

The guy was obviously feeling emotional after we had just been knocked of the FA Cup by Norwich and some dickhead abusing him from the stands decides to try and fight his brother. He wasn't right for jumping into the stands but I can totally understand why he happened.

It was Dier's brother who started the physical confrontation. An important distinction.

None of them come out with any credit, but Dier is paid a literal fortune to represent the club. He had no right to go wading into the stands in the way he did.

I don't bear him any ill-will. But I do think his actions disrespected the club, and I don't think he could have any complaints at all l if it cost him a new contract.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

We should sack him, a warning to others in the future, if you will.

If we don't get on top of this kind of thing now, where will it all end?

 

[wrd]

It was Dier's brother who started the physical confrontation. An important distinction.

None of them come out with any credit, but Dier is paid a literal fortune to represent the club. He had no right to go wading though the stands in the way he did.

I don't bear him any ill-will. But I do think his actions disrespected the club, and I wouldn't be arsed at all if it cost him a new contract.

I think he made a mistake, I think it was a human mistake and I think of all the things which have embarrassed the club this season, that isn't one of them and if it is, it's at the low end of the scale. He is getting a ban and a fine, I don't see why it needs to go further than that.

 

[Saoirse]

But was it reasonably foreseeable for him at that specific moment?

That jumping into the stands towards a confrontation, and then chasing after the bloke even when he was trying to calm the situation down and get away, could be perceived as threatening? I'd say so, to be honest.

 

[King of Otters]

I think he made a mistake, I think it was a human mistake and I think of all the things which have embarrassed the club this season, that isn't one of them and if it is, it's at the low end of the scale. He is getting a ban and a fine, I don't see why it needs to go further than that.

A matter of opinion, but a Spurs player wading through the stands to confront a Spurs supporter who had been attacked by the player's brother ranks pretty fucking highly in my list of embarrassing moments from this season or any other.

 

[Thewobbler]

It was Dier's brother who started the physical confrontation. An important distinction.

None of them come out with any credit, but Dier is paid a literal fortune to represent the club. He had no right to go wading into the stands in the way he did.

I don't bear him any ill-will. But I do think his actions disrespected the club, and I don't think he could have any complaints at all l if it cost him a new contract.

Come on, it was a moment that ended up being nothing. Jose seems to really like dier so i have no doubts he will get a new deal .

Yes his brother is foolish, he should have laughed it off or told the guy to calm down. His brother plays for one of the top clubs in england and plays for england so someone yelling hes a wanker and crap is laughable. Putting hands on someone you have to expect it could turn nasty, luckily it didnt.

Eric should have let the stewards and police do their jobs.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

I don't think Eric or the club will appeal, I think we'll just move on.

History shows that we always roll over and cause no trouble. The club has always been soft and that filters down to our managers and players. We never have built that no one likes us attitude and drive forward as a single unit. We have a soft under belly. We have no grit. If this was Liverpool or United the club and supporters would be behind him 100%. Difference between winners and losers.

 

[wrd]

A matter of opinion, but a Spurs player wading through the stands to confront a Spurs supporter who had been attacked by the player's brother ranks pretty fucking highly in my list of embarrassing moments from this season or any other.

You have to appreciate the context in which Dier likely saw it, all he probably saw was his brother in an altercation. I know I wouldn't pay any attention to how the company I represent felt if I saw a family member in trouble in the moment and I'd accept the consequences that come with my actions. He's been banned which he deserved to do but he didn't do anything that makes me think he should never represent spurs again.

 

[Shadydan]

Mate, nothing is fixed for ever. 'The way it is' doesn't cut it. It doesn't make it any more acceptable at it doesn't mean it should be tolerated.

It cuts it because that's what players have tolerated for years, just because Dier couldn't keep his emotions in check doesn't mean it's justifiable, small price to pay for being a footballer you get judged, sometime unfairly, this isn't anything new to anyone so why should players be allowed to take it into their own hands?

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Just read he’s been fined more than every club who has been charged with racism ?

Enough said?

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Dier climbed up the stands in a direct but controlled manner, was easily detained many meters away from this so-called "fan", and backed down with little fuzz. He was in full control of himself in a positive way the entire time and bore no threat to public safety. But so so good that the FA got their symbolic verdict.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Eric should have let the stewards and police do their jobs.
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I doubt there was any police in the stadium. As for The stewards ????????

 

[yankspurs]

Just read he’s been fined more than every club who has been charged with racism ?

That’s not a shock. When it comes to racism, the FA has been all talk and no bluster the last few years. The FA’s inaction indicates they are very much okay with racism but give slaps on the wrist because they have to do something.

 

[King of Otters]

You have to appreciate the context in which Dier likely saw it, all he probably saw was his brother in an altercation. I know I wouldn't pay any attention to how the company I represent felt if I saw a family member in trouble in the moment and I'd accept the consequences that come with my actions. He's been banned which he deserved to do but he didn't do anything that makes me think he should never represent spurs again.

I didn't say 'he should never represent spurs again', just that his behaviour probably doesn't deserve to be rewarded with a multi-million pound contract.

 

[emiley heskey]

I hope jose storms in the interview and accuse FA as a racist organization because of the punishment given to racist behavior and this issue..

 

[swarvsta]

Chelsea also sacked Mark Bosnich for drugs, they have actually commendable ( ) form in that area.

You think?!

Not a chance was it commendable, check the facts:

1. Bosnich only ever made 5 appearances for Chelsea - his last in November 2001, when he suffered a bad injury.

2. After the injury, Bosnich spiralled into clinical depression.

3. He failed a drugs test for recreational use of cocaine, a year later, having not player a single game in the previous year.

4. Chelsea then sought legal advice to see if they had grounds to cancel his contract (he was on nearly £50k a week).

Bosnich lost an appeal for unfair dismissal. He stood no chance against Chelsea’s mighty legal team.

Ultimately, it wasn’t like Chelsea stood tall at the top of the moral high ground and lost a valuable asset. They wanted to get rid of him and remove him from the wage bill.

It might have been more commendable if they looked to support him during the lowest point of his life, instead?