Edmond Tapsoba

[St José Dominguez]

I’d say this is more realistic.

Sanchez - £15m
Dier - £15m
Tanganga - £10m
Davies - £15m
Sessegnon - £15m
Reguilon - £10m
Rodon - £10m

Total : 90m

The valuation is probably about right but I don’t think we’d get anywhere near that much. Problem is barely any European clubs have any money right now. None of the top clubs want them. So you’re basically asking PL clubs to buy them, I just don’t know who would pay those sums for most of those players. I think we’ll see loans with options again for a number of these players.

 

[BENNO]

I think Sanchez, Rodon and Tanganga all go this summer so from my perspective it shouldn't be a choice of either or with VDV and Tapsoba. Of course I'm with you that above all Ange has to be happy , I just hope we're giving him the best options as opposed to cheap alternatives.

Yep, me too - my 'problem' is that with this new manager i'm really not sure we can judge what a cheap option vs best option actually is , as he's clearly worked wonders at other clubs with very very cheap options that have proved excellent purchases. I feel like we need to let things play out and judge at a much later date.....but obviously that ain't happening !!

 

[FrankSpencer]

The valuation is probably about right but I don’t think we’d get anywhere near that much. Problem is barely any European clubs have any money right now. None of the top clubs want them. So you’re basically asking PL clubs to buy them, I just don’t know who would pay those sums for most of those players. I think we’ll see loans with options again for a number of these players.

Wolves just sold Nathan Collins for £23m, this gives you a good idea of the fees we’re taking about now. Dier / Davies / Sanchez are no worse than Collins, so the only major difference (fee received) is remaining contract length.

 

[Albertbarich]

Yep, me too - my 'problem' is that with this new manager i'm really not sure we can judge what a cheap option vs best option actually is , as he's clearly worked wonders at other clubs with very very cheap options that have proved excellent purchases. I feel like we need to let things play out and judge at a much later date.....but obviously that ain't happening !!

I feel so positive about Ange I will back him regardless.

I'd rather focus on the excitement of seeing attacking football more than anything else , hopefully whoever we do buy in defence won't be called upon too much.

 

[FrankSpencer]

personally I think you can knock 20-30m off that and also we wont (in my opinion) sell all of them

Let’s see what we sell them for and possibly revisit. I do agree though, I don’t see Davies and Dier being sold.

 

[ButchCassidy]

Wolves just sold Nathan Collins for £23m, this gives you a good idea of the fees we’re taking about now. Dier / Davies / Sanchez are no worse than Collins, so the only major difference (fee received) is remaining contract length.

Nathan Collins is younger than Skipp, he’s a prospect and they’re paying for potential. Dier is off a calamitous season, the worst in his career, he’s near 30, hasn’t touched a football since a major surgery, and is on pretty substantial wages. Oh and can sign a free agent deal in a year so won’t be willing to just get pawned off anywhere. I really think we’d struggle to shift him at any price.

 

[Albertbarich]

Nathan Collins is younger than Skipp, he’s a prospect and they’re paying for potential. Dier is off a calamitous season, the worst in his career, he’s near 30, hasn’t touched a football since a major surgery, and is on pretty substantial wages. Oh and can sign a free agent deal in a year so won’t be willing to just get pawned off anywhere. I really think we’d struggle to shift him at any price.

He has a year left, if we really wanted rid we could loan him out and subsidise his wages.

As it is I don't think we need to. If we shift three we can buy two really good replacements. Dier and Davies are good pros and more than ok to be squad options.

 

[only1waddle]

Wolves just sold Nathan Collins for £23m, this gives you a good idea of the fees we’re taking about now. Dier / Davies / Sanchez are no worse than Collins, so the only major difference (fee received) is remaining contract length.

Collins is 22 though so that's an investment, Davies at 30 and Dier at 29 won't be commanding fees of £15m apiece.

 

[Frank Blank]

The valuation is probably about right but I don’t think we’d get anywhere near that much. Problem is barely any European clubs have any money right now. None of the top clubs want them. So you’re basically asking PL clubs to buy them, I just don’t know who would pay those sums for most of those players. I think we’ll see loans with options again for a number of these players.

I think Bournemouth would have a bit of a sniff around - not least because they now have a rich owner and these are affordable prices.

 

[WiganSpur]

Can't see anyone paying more than £6-7m for Dier tbh. I think he either stays until his contract is up or we get 4 CBs ahead of him and force him out. I'm sure he'll want to stay but likely not if we've got 4 players ahead of him as there's no chance he will get minutes during a season of no European football. I think he'll end up at a club like Palace, Everton, Forest etc late in the window if Ange hasn't got room for him.

 

[Klinsmannesque]

I like to think that the penny has dropped and we’ve realised the true financial impact of our recruitment the last few years

My company recently conducted a study assessing the true cost of employee churn rates and the delaying moving on low performers. It was millions and we are a relatively small business of 200 employees.

Although different markets and industries entirely, holding on to those players for ‘market value’ has effectively cost us untold amounts of money (CL revenue, wages etc) - far more than what we were hoping to gain by not accepting lower offers. Business cannot move forward by standing still and I really hope Levy now realises this. We need a ruthless clear out and 2 strong cb options to come in. Anything other than that is poor in my book

 

[Joshua shepherd]

Nathan Collins is younger than Skipp, he’s a prospect and they’re paying for potential. Dier is off a calamitous season, the worst in his career, he’s near 30, hasn’t touched a football since a major surgery, and is on pretty substantial wages. Oh and can sign a free agent deal in a year so won’t be willing to just get pawned off anywhere. I really think we’d struggle to shift him at any price.

Not even comparable situations. The more comparable is with Coady who sold for 7.5m and is arguably better than Dier, Sanchez and Davies.

 

[KingNick]

Everton about to get a big cash injection. Can see Dier going there and doing well under Dyche. Could also be a reunion with his best pal Dele.

 

[yid-down-under]

He played in a back 4 under Jose, and did well 1st half of the season under him. There is a consistent theme, starts well, then tails off in the season.

That doesn't mean we should keep him. I think we can improve, but the level of disrespect he gets from spurs fans is sad to see.

We always need a villain- before dier it was winks, sissoko, n’dombele, aurier etc

 

[Joshua shepherd]

We always need a villain- before dier it was winks, sissoko, n’dombele, aurier etc

Not sure they’re villains, just players that weren’t good enough and should’ve been moved on.

 

[McFlash]

Thats far too cheap for those players

Yeah, we just got 10m for Winks, surely we can squeeze a bit more for that lot, without even being too greedy.

 

[McFlash]

I don’t think “keeping old heads around” is a policy that works well in any walk of life where you are trying to create something entirely new and different.

The only way players can adapt is to be thrown in and learn and develop as they go. Yes, they might suffer at times but in the long run, it is the game time that leads to successful development.

this type of thinking about “tried and trusted” is why our youth policy has failed so many players in recent times. Just think how different things might look if Sarr had not been ditched despite a stellar performance. He could have 20 odd starts under his belt and maybe would have alleviated a need to look elsewhere - as we seem to be doing if rumours of 2x CMs are correct.

(Just to be clear on Sarr example, I still think he will make a breakthrough but we have undoubtedly lost 6 months of development time with him - and maybe even a European spot)

Yeah, we've spent four years crying out for a rebuild and a fresh approach.
That's not happening if we're keeping old, and dare I say stale, players knocking about the place.

Complete refresh and new mentality to mirror the manager.

I don't mind a couple of older heads scattered through the squad but we've got that in the likes of Kane etc.
Don't see the need to keep people just for the sake of it.

 

[yid-down-under]

Not sure they’re villains, just players that weren’t good enough and should’ve been moved on.

Even if we win the league and go unbeaten for the whole season there are spurs fans out there that will pick on one player- guaranteed

 

[codspur]

Can't see anyone paying more than £6-7m for Dier tbh. I think he either stays until his contract is up or we get 4 CBs ahead of him and force him out. I'm sure he'll want to stay but likely not if we've got 4 players ahead of him as there's no chance he will get minutes during a season of no European football. I think he'll end up at a club like Palace, Everton, Forest etc late in the window if Ange hasn't got room for him.

The same Dier that at the start of last season most of us were struggling to understand how he wasn’t in the England squad … then he was deservedly. He has a bad second half to the season… most of our team did. He had sod all protection in front of him ( looking at PEH who the majority on here would seemingly keep) I’m not saying keep him but this revisionism of him and his value is just becoming ridiculous. Not the thread for it and not just aimed at you mate but 6-7 million is

 

[Timberwolf]

The same Dier that at the start of last season most of us were struggling to understand how he wasn’t in the England squad … then he was deservedly. He has a bad second half to the season… most of our team did. He had sod all protection in front of him ( looking at PEH who the majority on here would seemingly keep) I’m not saying keep him but this revisionism of him and his value is just becoming ridiculous. Not the thread for it and not just aimed at you mate but 6-7 million is

The system gave Dier tons of protection when he was playing his best. He had the most deep, passive role in Conte's back 3 with 2 other CBs to cover him, a medium/deep defensive line and 2 CMs that were ordered to play it safe in possession.

The reason he looked good is for that reason: he was very rarely exposed and could sit deep and head the ball away or try to block shots all day long.

When we stopped functioning as a team and Dier started actually getting exposed 1v1 again he looked like a liability: really slow on the turn, immobile, passive, terrified to engage.

His passing can be quite good and he's fine at the meat and potatoes, deep lying defensive stuff which is why he had good spells under Jose and Conte, but I think he'd get roasted trying to play in a high-line attacking team which seems to be the plan under Ange.