Dybala ‘furious’ as surprise Spurs lifeline crushed

[cider spurs]

What’s wow about it. Players with third party ownerships are always problematic why leave such deals late. If we were serious imo this deal would have started much earlier in the window.

Reports or ITK (can't remember which) stated the club have been working on this for three weeks.

I'm thinking we were serious and thrashed out various elements towards securing the deal, falling just short regarding image rights and maybe agent fees.

 

[double0]

We have bought 3 quality players and held onto our star players and still we have "fans" making out we are stupid and a joke. Truly beyond pathetic.

Note: aware Lo Celso is a loan.

Don’t put words backwards . Of course I am pleased with the business we’ve managed to achieve. I personally would of been happy if we’d only managed Ndombele and Clarke became we showed intent to get those deals done in good time. Be honest as much as we love Spurs Dybala was never going to happen in the time we put on it...how long did it take us to complete Sessegnon and loan Lo Celso.

If Dybala was a legitimate target we needed to act much earlier.

 

[Stopwn]

No Dybala and Los Celsos only a loan thus pushing cost to next summer (take that off the kitty for next year then - to levy that counts as money in next financial year). By the time we’ve sold Rose and Eriksen in next few weeks again we won’t really have invested much cold harsh cash in the squad this window - good ‘business’ no doubt.

 

[dontcallme]

Don’t put words backwards . Of course I am pleased with the business we’ve managed to achieve. I personally would of been happy if we’d only managed Ndombele and Clarke became we showed intent to get those deals done in good time. Be honest as much as we love Spurs Dybala was never going to happen in the time we put on it...how long did it take us to complete Sessegnon and loan Lo Celso.

If Dybala was a legitimate target we needed to act much earlier.

Why do people still think simply acting early is the way to get deals done?

Utd were only known to be interested about a week ago, as were ourselves.

So something could have happened to make him available or maybe we have been working on it without it being known.

We have bought 3 quality players and appear to made a genuine attempt at a top quality player. In this case it appears there were a huge amount of hurdles.

If we hadn't signed anyone and put all our hopes into Dybala then calling our window pathetic and a joke would be understandable. But we have just had a very good window.

Criticising us for trying to buy a 4th quality player is Spursy and you should never go full Spursy.

 

[cider spurs]

Don’t put words backwards . Of course I am pleased with the business we’ve managed to achieve. I personally would of been happy if we’d only managed Ndombele and Clarke became we showed intent to get those deals done in good time. Be honest as much as we love Spurs Dybala was never going to happen in the time we put on it...how long did it take us to complete Sessegnon and loan Lo Celso.

If Dybala was a legitimate target we needed to act much earlier.

That's the thing. I don't think Dybala was an initial target per se. More an option that presented itself that we thought we'd have a bash at.

That's my take on it.

 

[paxton_soul]

Rubbish. It's been known for days that the problem was with the owners of the image rights and one or two greedy agents who also had rights to a cut. The personal terms were agreed and the fee was agreed. There's nothing Juventus, Man Utd or Spurs could have done to force the other parties to co-operate or compromise.

Dybala should have been more circumspect (and perhaps less greedy himself) when deciding to licence his image rights. In the longer term, he fucked up his own transfer.

Precisely

 

[Shadydan]

Don’t put words backwards . Of course I am pleased with the business we’ve managed to achieve. I personally would of been happy if we’d only managed Ndombele and Clarke became we showed intent to get those deals done in good time. Be honest as much as we love Spurs Dybala was never going to happen in the time we put on it...how long did it take us to complete Sessegnon and loan Lo Celso.

If Dybala was a legitimate target we needed to act much earlier.

We've been working on this deal for 3 weeks:



And he only became available when it was apparent that Juve were moving him on which was around the same time.

Do you understand how transfers work?...there's no point working on deals if players aren't available.

The reason why teams (including us) leave deals late is because there's more money going around late on in the window, players, agents and clubs get desperate and look for moves which trigger a domino affects on budgets and finances which is dependent on the other.

 

[Japhet]

Rubbish. It's been known for days that the problem was with the owners of the image rights and one or two greedy agents who also had rights to a cut. The personal terms were agreed and the fee was agreed. There's nothing Juventus, Man Utd or Spurs could have done to force the other parties to co-operate or compromise.

Dybala should have been more circumspect (and perhaps less greedy himself) when deciding to licence his image rights. In the longer term, he fucked up his own transfer.

Also known as 'Doing a Zaha'.

 

[Gb160]

Dybala should have been more circumspect (and perhaps less greedy himself) when deciding to licence his image rights. In the longer term, he fucked up his own transfer.

I suppose you're right, but it should be noted that a lot of these image rights deals are signed when the players are very young, especially in South America...chances are he was just doing what his parents and agent were telling him to do.
It does come down to greed though, ultimately.

 

[SteveH]

I suppose you're right, but it should be noted that a lot of these image rights deals are signed when the players are very young, especially in South America...chances are he was just doing what his parents and agent were telling him to do.
It does come down to greed though, ultimately.

greedy footballer! are you mad

 

[Japhet]

Don’t put words backwards . Of course I am pleased with the business we’ve managed to achieve. I personally would of been happy if we’d only managed Ndombele and Clarke became we showed intent to get those deals done in good time. Be honest as much as we love Spurs Dybala was never going to happen in the time we put on it...how long did it take us to complete Sessegnon and loan Lo Celso.

If Dybala was a legitimate target we needed to act much earlier.

I'm pretty sure that your assessment of 'never going to happen' was based firmly on Dybala being out of our league or too expensive. Tell me please if this is right or whether you'd identified that 3rd party image rights would be the stumbling block when everything else was agreed and ready to go.

 

[double0]

We've been working on this deal for 3 weeks:



And he only became available when it was apparent that Juve were moving him on which was around the same time.

Do you understand how transfers work?...there's no point working on deals if players aren't available.

The reason why teams (including us) leave deals late is because there's more money going around late on in the window, players, agents and clubs get desperate and look for moves which trigger a domino affects on budgets and finances which is dependent on the other.

Clearly I don’t know how transfers work and you do...bravo to you. Is that why we waited until the last minutes of transfer deadline day to conclude Sessegnon and loan Lo Celso. Pochettino has warned Levy about working differently. If like you say things happen later it then brings into question our strategy on player recruitment... from day one our targets were Ndombele Clarke Sessegnon Lo Celso

 

[Shadydan]

Clearly I don’t know how transfers work and you do...bravo to you. Is that why we waited until the last minutes of transfer deadline day to conclude Sessegnon and loan Lo Celso. Pochettino has warned Levy about working differently. If like you say things happen later it then brings into question our strategy on player recruitment... from day one our targets were Ndombele Clarke Sessegnon Lo Celso

We would have ended up paying more for Sessegnon and Lo Celso if we bought them earlier which would have been completely pointless seeing as Lo Celso was on holiday after the Copa America and Sessegnon was injured anyway, what sense does that make? You're willing to mention NDombele and Clarke...when did we sign them?

 

[dontcallme]

We would have ended up paying more for Sessegnon and Lo Celso if we bought them earlier which would have been completely pointless seeing as Lo Celso was on holiday after the Copa America and Sessegnon was injured anyway, what sense does that make? You're willing to mention NDombele and Clarke...when did we sign them?

I agree. I think the entire push to get signings done early is partly fantasy and partly limiting.

The idea that if we had pushed early for Dybala we would have got the signing done is fantasy. If we tried early and failed and moved onto a different player then people would have whined about us leaving things too late again.

Some players simply don't become available until later in the window. Our own Aurier was said to be available on the basis that we bought a new right back. This should be enough to tell fans that simply buying early is not always possible, but apparently it isn't.

Many fans are stuck in a simplistic, computer game world where if we bid early we can get players and if we miss out it's because the chairman was too tight to pay an extra £2m like that is the only factor in signing a player.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Clearly I don’t know how transfers work and you do...bravo to you. Is that why we waited until the last minutes of transfer deadline day to conclude Sessegnon and loan Lo Celso. Pochettino has warned Levy about working differently. If like you say things happen later it then brings into question our strategy on player recruitment... from day one our targets were Ndombele Clarke Sessegnon Lo Celso

It's just a stupid, stupid sentence. Genuinely obtuse. Because you are saying things that are contradicted by so much obvious, unavoidable evidence that you must be parading nothing but prejudice.

Have you had a look at the BBC and Sky "tickers" today? Every bloody club in the top two divisions has been signing and selling players today. There have been literally scores, perhaps over a hundred deals completed today.

Do you think all these other 40+ clubs "waited until the last minute of transfer deadline day" - the operative word in this genuinely idiotic phrase being "waited" - or do you think it was only Spurs who "waited". Did everyone "wait"? Or just us?

Of course the answer is obvious to anyone without a pre-existing view. No one "waited". They were all working hard on multiple multi-million-pound deals and they were all playing the exact same kind of hardball that Levy plays, but generally with less success.

Every club has a baseline for every deal - if it isn't met, they'll let the deal lapse. They all hold out for more (or bargain for less) until the very last moment, chipping away and cheese-paring at every deal to extract the maximum value. Some do it better, some less effectively, but they all do it, not just us. The evidence is on those tickers that you've probably been reading all day.

That is why so many deals for every football club get completed on deadline day. It is always so and it will not change. Because that's how negotiations work. You hold out for what you want and eventually you either get it or you decide whether and how much to compromise. But you don't compromise until you have to, which means deadline day.

We do plenty of deals early in the transfer window, but they tend to be deals that have had already months of quiet work done behind the scenes: Berbatov, Modric, and Ndombele being good examples.

YOU ALREADY KNOW ALL THIS. You just refuse to apply it to Spurs, because you're bitter.

 

[double0]

We would have ended up paying more for Sessegnon and Lo Celso if we bought them earlier which would have been completely pointless seeing as Lo Celso was on holiday after the Copa America and Sessegnon was injured anyway, what sense does that make? You're willing to mention NDombele and Clarke...when did we sign them?

Has Sessegnon recovered from injury? We waited longer and threw Onomah into the deal on top of the 30 M with all add ons included... we really saved money there. Lo Celso ok I get however we waited to do a loan with option to buy.

Look after all is said and done Levy has delivered we’ve improved the squad I have no complaints it’s been a success however there’s Eriksen Toby Rose in the shadows

 

[double0]

It's just a stupid, stupid sentence. Genuinely obtuse. Because you are saying things that are contradicted by so much obvious, unavoidable evidence that you must be parading nothing but prejudice.

Have you had a look at the BBC and Sky "tickers" today? Every bloody club in the top two divisions has been signing and selling players today. There have been literally scores, perhaps over a hundred deals completed today.

Do you think all these other 40+ clubs "waited until the last minute of transfer deadline day" - the operative word in this genuinely idiotic phrase being "waited" - or do you think it was only Spurs who "waited". Did everyone "wait"? Or just us?

Of course the answer is obvious to anyone without a pre-existing view. No one "waited". They were all working hard on multiple multi-million-pound deals and they were all playing the exact same kind of hardball that Levy plays, but generally with less success.

Every club has a baseline for every deal - if it isn't met, they'll let the deal lapse. They all hold out for more (or bargain for less) until the very last moment, chipping away and cheese-paring at every deal to extract the maximum value. Some do it better, some less effectively, but they all do it, not just us. The evidence is on those tickers that you've probably been reading all day.

That is why so many deals for every football club get completed on deadline day. It is always so and it will not change. Because that's how negotiations work. You hold out for what you want and eventually you either get it or you decide whether and how much to compromise. But you don't compromise until you have to, which means deadline day.

We do plenty of deals early in the transfer window, but they tend to be deals that have had already months of quiet work done behind the scenes: Berbatov, Modric, and Ndombele being good examples.

YOU ALREADY KNOW ALL THIS. You just refuse to apply it to Spurs, because you're bitter.

You are completely missing the point

 

[davidmatzdorf]

No, I had my own point. About your incredibly revealing choice of words: "waited".

 

[Shadydan]

Has Sessegnon recovered from injury? We waited longer and threw Onomah into the deal on top of the 30 M with all add ons included... we really saved money there. Lo Celso ok I get however we waited to do a loan with option to buy.

Look after all is said and done Levy has delivered we’ve improved the squad I have no complaints it’s been a success however there’s Eriksen Toby Rose in the shadows

He started training last week so he would have got a weeks worth of training sessions with us - what a difference that would make!...Considering Fulham wanted £45m at the start of the transfer window and we signed him for under £25m plus Onomah (you can argue that Onomah was an asset but he hadn't played for us for 2 years so he was surplus to requirements) - yes we saved money, don't see you point on Lo Celso either, we got him much cheaper then what Betis was holding out for.

So what about Eriksen,Toby and Rose? Every team has players who are vulnerable to Euro teams coming in for them in the next few weeks, what's your point?

 

[double0]

He started training last week so he would have got a weeks worth of training sessions with us - what a difference that would make!...Considering Fulham wanted £45m at the start of the transfer window and we signed him for under £25m plus Onomah (you can argue that Onomah was an asset but he hadn't played for us for 2 years so he was surplus to requirements) - yes we saved money, don't see you point on Lo Celso either, we got him much cheaper then what Betis was holding out for.

So what about Eriksen,Toby and Rose? Every team has players who are vulnerable to Euro teams coming in for them in the next few weeks, what's your point?

The point with the last 3 all have refused to sign new contracts no fault to levy and are still subject to bids in line with European closures do we accept bids or do we keep players potentially writing off the loss.