Don Fabio Latest Update (still with the club)

[branchie]

He's basically done ok, just below Commolli on the recruiting scale.

Think that's a bit harsh on Fab. Feels to me that he's had more hits than Commolli

 

[thebenjamin]

Think that's a bit harsh on Fab. Feels to me that he's had more hits than Commolli

And he didn't sign Zokora to replace Michael Carrick.

 

[quackers]

https://football-italia.net/juventus-lawyer-reveals-next-steps-as-preliminary-hearing-postponed/

death by a thousand cut, now will drag out till May...

 

[allatsea]

Could. Already acquitted once.




Convicted eh?

Let's see how it all pans out before jumping to conclusions eh? What MIGHT happen is irrelevant.

Some on SC don't seem to believe in innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Rosco1984]

Some on SC don't seem to believe in innocent until proven guilty.

he's been banned from operating in Italy or has that been overturned? if it hasn't then he has been found guilty now until he is proven innocent.

 

[PrettyColors]

Can’t we just sack the ponce.

I don’t care whether he turns up innocent or guilty — shouldn’t one of the prerequisites of holding the financial decision-making reigns at our club be - NOT implicated in criminal investigation over fraud? Seems pretty simple to me.

Why is he still around?

 

[Albertbarich]

I feel conflicted on this one tbh. Just putting aside the issues with the case for one moment.

On the one hand regarding managers he’s completely useless. His picks are completely wrong for the club and our mission statement, I actually don’t understand how he can suggest some of the names he has. Also he has a history of struggling to sell players, but it doesn’t really help that the players we are trying to shift are just bad.

On the other hand I do think he is an excellent scout. I would have really liked to see who he could have brought in for a more attacking manager. The big irony for me is that he very much seems to prefer defensive coaches but when it comes to on pitch talent he actually seems to like flair players. Even at Juve he picked some excellent attackers even before he was DoF. And by all accounts he’s greatly improved our scouting set up which for a long time I feel has been incredibly unimpressive.

Ultimately yes it seems it was going to be an untenable situation considering his court situation. But I do think it’s a shame he has to go. What is vitally imperative is that we bring in a new DoF in advance of summer regardless of the manager situation.

Are we sure he is a great scout ? Is it more likely that he is just really well connected with agents across Europe.

The Juve deals he has done were gifted due to his previous life there as an example.

 

[Albertbarich]

https://football-italia.net/juventus-lawyer-reveals-next-steps-as-preliminary-hearing-postponed/

death by a thousand cut, now will drag out till May...

He is still turning round in a circle somewhere in Tottenham.

 

[Tucker]

Can’t we just sack the ponce.

I don’t care whether he turns up innocent or guilty — shouldn’t one of the prerequisites of holding the financial decision-making reigns at our club be - NOT implicated in criminal investigation over fraud? Seems pretty simple to me.

Why is he still around?

This is it for me. He’s actually done a pretty good job on the recruitment side of things, but at the moment he simply can’t do his job.

We had itk in January that Italian clubs wouldn’t deal with us while he was involved so despite not being banned outside Italy the situation is still affecting his work.

We can’t go into an important summer with this paralysis hanging over us.

Thank him for his work, dismiss him and get someone else competent in. It’s business.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Are we sure he is a great scout ? Is it more likely that he is just really well connected with agents across Europe.

The Juve deals he has done were gifted due to his previous life there as an example.

Yes we are sure. He is a great scout, found a lot gems at Juve and even for us including those we didn’t buy. I mean he wanted us to get Kvaratskhelia and Min-Jae for example. If you go back and look at the players he spotted. There are certainly question marks around him but it would be wrong to say he isn’t excellent at certain parts of his job. Prior to this whole debacle there was a reason he had such a good reputation.

 

[Cochraam]

I feel conflicted on this one tbh. Just putting aside the issues with the case for one moment.

On the one hand regarding managers he’s completely useless. His picks are completely wrong for the club and our mission statement, I actually don’t understand how he can suggest some of the names he has. Also he has a history of struggling to sell players, but it doesn’t really help that the players we are trying to shift are just bad.

On the other hand I do think he is an excellent scout. I would have really liked to see who he could have brought in for a more attacking manager. The big irony for me is that he very much seems to prefer defensive coaches but when it comes to on pitch talent he actually seems to like flair players. Even at Juve he picked some excellent attackers even before he was DoF. And by all accounts he’s greatly improved our scouting set up which for a long time I feel has been incredibly unimpressive.

Ultimately yes it seems it was going to be an untenable situation considering his court situation. But I do think it’s a shame he has to go. What is vitally imperative is that we bring in a new DoF in advance of summer regardless of the manager situation.

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. He’s clearly a brilliant chief scout, and in a role similar to what Hitchen had I would keep him no problem.

He’s improved the club structure, given us an actual youth strategy for the first time in years and our scouting has come on leaps and bounds. He has an excellent eye for talent and I think on incomings he’s picked good player and structured good deals.

But his track record selling players is abysmal frankly and he clearly isn’t great at the thing which ultimately makes you a great DoF - building a club image and direction and hiring the managers to do it.

Personally, the court case makes it imperative for him to go. I’d do it now, hire Tim Steidten as Sporting Director with Nagelsmann as coach and build a young, aggressive team in the model of the best teams in Germany.

I really agree with both of these posts. I am mostly really happy with the talent identification under Paratici (our recruitment under him is markedly better if you compare the last couple of years to the 6-ish prior to it). Also, to the extent I've heard information about restructuring our youth, scouting, and recruitment setups, it all sounds positive.

However, whenever we've heard information about his managerial preferences or philosophy on playing style, it seems out of step with the club. We all kind of ridiculed Levy's DNA comment, but honestly if the club actually committed to that statement as a philosophy, I think we'd be in better shape. But it would mean Paratici probably needs to go as I don't think he's pulling in the same direction as that statement.

But, we definitely need a new DOF if he goes.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. He’s clearly a brilliant chief scout, and in a role similar to what Hitchen had I would keep him no problem.

He’s improved the club structure, given us an actual youth strategy for the first time in years and our scouting has come on leaps and bounds. He has an excellent eye for talent and I think on incomings he’s picked good player and structured good deals.

But his track record selling players is abysmal frankly and he clearly isn’t great at the thing which ultimately makes you a great DoF - building a club image and direction and hiring the managers to do it.

Personally, the court case makes it imperative for him to go. I’d do it now, hire Tim Steidten as Sporting Director with Nagelsmann as coach and build a young, aggressive team in the model of the best teams in Germany.

Agree.

Pros:
-Has got most signings right
-Has re-structured the club internally, especially scouting dept etc

Cons:
-Terrible manager hires
-No understanding of the fans desires and philosphy of our club (hence the turning down Fonseca and trying to get Gattuso and then convincing Levy that Nuno would bring attractive football)
-The finance scandal and ban in Italy
-Very poor at selling players

Overall I think we need a clear break and ideally bring in a DofF who suits how the fans actually want us to play football and hire a coach to suit that, German combo you've mentioned would be good as an example, we want to play a high intensity, pressing style and high possession and brave attacking creative passing on the ground football and we want to bring through and develop young players, lets hire a DofF and Manager who align with this ffs its not hard!

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

So will this latest hearing today decide if he is getting an international ban on top of his 30 month Italian League ban?

 

[Gassin's finest]

I honestly think he's just another dodgy deal maker, and it's been one thing after the other since he started. Sooner this whole fiasco of the last year and a half is over the better.

 

[ukdy]

Cons:
-Very poor at selling players

To be fair, if you're trying to sell ice to the eskimos, or in our case there's no willing turd farmers in need of shit.. we're gonna struggle.

 

[chrisd2k]

Some on SC don't seem to believe in innocent until proven guilty.

He has been found guilty already. This is an appeal.

 

[rossdapep]

Yes we are sure. He is a great scout, found a lot gems at Juve and even for us including those we didn’t buy. I mean he wanted us to get Kvaratskhelia and Min-Jae for example. If you go back and look at the players he spotted. There are certainly question marks around him but it would be wrong to say he isn’t excellent at certain parts of his job. Prior to this whole debacle there was a reason he had such a good reputation.

Yeah I don't dispute his scouting. He can definitely spot a player.

But, I do look at his purchases and I think it's a bit of a muddle.

This is probably why Juventus got worse with him being at the helm. He can spot a player and can get deals done.

But when you actually formalise a plan of how those players will have good chemistry under a defined system with a good coach, he can't make it all coherent.

 

[Scott Spur]

Makes you wonder how his scouting network is so good and how he gets the info he does.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

To be fair, if you're trying to sell ice to the eskimos, or in our case there's no willing turd farmers in need of shit.. we're gonna struggle.

Where are Stoke when you need them most.

 

[RELISYS]

If the Italian authorities get their wish and his ban extended by UEFA and FIFA, There is a strong probability that his transfer dealings with us also get put under investigation and once that information reaches the public domain we may truly find out how much he is involved with our transfer dealings.