Did anyone see England U19 vs. Holland U19?

[Ron Burgundy]

The report in the Mail suggests that Parrett and Caulker were England's best players

Did anyone manage to see it? Any views?

Parrett looks like he's really pushing on, sadly in a way that Bostock doesn't seem to be, and I don't think it's any secret that Caulker's got real promise. Always nice to hear first hand evidence though

 

[JonnySpurs]

Yep I watched the game from about 10 mins onward so missed the opening goal and Parrett was excellent throughout.

He showed some nice touches and turned away from his marker numberous times with good skill. England as a team struggled in the first half quite a lot and the frustration was obvious. 2nd half tho Parrett seemed to take it upon himself to make things happen, he got away down the right wing and crossed in for Delfouneso to turn and score a ligitimate goal which was wrongly flagged for handball.

After that he again never let his workrate drop, went on a couple of excellent runs, skipping past 2 or 3 players each time and then laying off a simple pass without trying to be too clever. All in all I'd say he was MOM for England and that's not even from me being bias.

Caulker also played well, did everything pretty simple, looks composed on the ball and certainly has the strength and physique already to develop into a quality centre half. He also looked to get forward on corners and free kicks and probably could've done better a couple times but he was only one really challenging the keeper so credit for that.

 

[Supersi32]

Saw the game, generally poor stuff from England, much improved in the 2nd half though...Caulker's a big lad, good in the air and very comfortable on the ball, got caught out a couple of times by balls over the top....Parrett was anonymous in the first half, to be fair though so was Englands midfield in general, he imposed himself a bit more in the 2nd half, some nice runs and touches, looks decent.

 

[mill]

Saw the game, generally poor stuff from England, much improved in the 2nd half though...Caulker's a big lad, good in the air and very comfortable on the ball, got caught out a couple of times by balls over the top....Parrett was anonymous in the first half, to be fair though so was Englands midfield in general, he imposed himself a bit more in the 2nd half, some nice runs and touches, looks decent.

That's pretty much how I saw it

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Thanks guys, appreciate it

 

[Locotoro]

How far are these lads from being squad regulars if we see things realistically?

 

[Supersi32]

How far are these lads from being squad regulars if we see things realistically?

Thats a tough one Locotoro, according to reports they are both highly rated by Harry, Caulker has a lot to learn, depite looking like he has all the attributes to make it...Parrett was decent in the 2nd half without standing out in what was a generally a poor team performance, I wouldn`t imagine we would see much of him next season.

 

[JonnySpurs]

How far are these lads from being squad regulars if we see things realistically?

I don't think Parrett is miles away, he is quite small tho and reminds me of a Scott Parker type player who would be busy and get stuck in, maybe not quite as carelessly as Parker does tho and probably doesn't have the long range shot that Parker also has.

Caulker could well be the first to make a start altho it's interesting that Calum Butcher was the one who got to go to America along with Mason, who was originally selected in the england squad and then replaced by Bostock I believe when we chose to keep Mason with the rest of the spurs squad. So if I had to put them in order of likely to be squad regs then I'd go.....

Townsend - Looks like a VERY raw Aaron Lennon but massive potential
Mason - Have a feeling this kid could be special
Caulker/Butcher
Parrett
Bostock/Smith - If Bostock can sort out his attitude then he could be great

 

[JonnySpurs]

Thats a tough one Locotoro, according to reports they are both highly rated by Harry, Caulker has a lot to learn, depite looking like he has all the attributes to make it...Parrett was decent in the 2nd half without standing out in what was a generally a poor team performance, I wouldn`t imagine we would see much of him next season.

It's funny how people see different things in games, I thought Parrett was the only player that DID stand out. Granted I was watching him closely but he didn't do much wrong and seemed the most eager to get involved and mix it up.

Unlike the number 7 (Mellis) who was fuckin awful, he literally didn't complete a pass and offered nothing in the game.

 

[ILS]

I don't think Parrett is miles away, he is quite small tho and reminds me of a Scott Parker type player who would be busy and get stuck in, maybe not quite as carelessly as Parker does tho and probably doesn't have the long range shot that Parker also has.

Caulker could well be the first to make a start altho it's interesting that Calum Butcher was the one who got to go to America along with Mason, who was originally selected in the england squad and then replaced by Bostock I believe when we chose to keep Mason with the rest of the spurs squad. So if I had to put them in order of likely to be squad regs then I'd go.....

Townsend - Looks like a VERY raw Aaron Lennon but massive potential
Mason - Have a feeling this kid could be special
Caulker/Butcher
Parrett
Bostock/Smith - If Bostock can sort out his attitude then he could be great

I couldn't disagree with you more. Parrett from what i have seen from him is a ball player. His workrate of the ball needs to improve, but is very comfortable with the ball at his feet when facing forward.

Bostock is the typical media hype player that let it go to his head. Only two players i know have coped with that sort of hype before even playing for the first team and that was Rooney and J Cole. I really don't think he has improved at all since he has joined us.

Mason and Smith are going to end up tidy lower championship players at the best and Townsend could either go two ways. Improve like Lennon did and become less predictable or he will end up in League 1 or 2.

As for Caulker he has everything to make it a Spurs. His positional sense will improve with age and experience, but the fact he big, strong, quick, comfortable with the ball at his feet reminds me of Ledley when i first saw him the FA Youth Cup final many years ago.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I think it's probably worth trying to get rid of a total falsehood about Bostock here

There's a rumour that his attitude is bad. There's a good poster on NLP called Mickster who wrote the following:

"Bostock has a terrific attitude - first hand from one of his coaches, one of his problems is that he can be a little laid back and not demonstrative enough but his attitude has never been in question.

At Brentford he went there and was dissapointed when left out of the side for a more physical player and that went against him, Brentford even said the same. PS Dos Santos who Harry mentioned as a clubber - Bostock is tee total"

 

[mill]

I think it's probably worth trying to get rid of a total falsehood about Bostock here

There's a rumour that his attitude is bad. There's a good poster on NLP called Mickster who wrote the following:

"Bostock has a terrific attitude - first hand from one of his coaches, one of his problems is that he can be a little laid back and not demonstrative enough but his attitude has never been in question.

At Brentford he went there and was dissapointed when left out of the side for a more physical player and that went against him, Brentford even said the same. PS Dos Santos who Harry mentioned as a clubber - Bostock is tee total"

This is the internet where the saying 'mud sticks' is true to the nth degree

 

[McFlash]

I couldn't disagree with you more. Parrett from what i have seen from him is a ball player. His workrate of the ball needs to improve, but is very comfortable with the ball at his feet when facing forward.

Bostock is the typical media hype player that let it go to his head. Only two players i know have coped with that sort of hype before even playing for the first team and that was Rooney and J Cole. I really don't think he has improved at all since he has joined us.

Mason and Smith are going to end up tidy lower championship players at the best and Townsend could either go two ways. Improve like Lennon did and become less predictable or he will end up in League 1 or 2.

As for Caulker he has everything to make it a Spurs. His positional sense will improve with age and experience, but the fact he big, strong, quick, comfortable with the ball at his feet reminds me of Ledley when i first saw him the FA Youth Cup final many years ago.

Have you seen much of the kids then?
It's just that there are many poster's on here who are of the opinion that Mason is the one to watch. Needs more muscle but out of all the kids, he shows the most promise.
If I remeber correctly, Parrett was described as Gerrard-like when we first got him from QPR.
Caulker, I'm excited about and I'm hoping that Andros will get a game or two this season, just to see what he's about.
We've certainly got a (potentially) better bunch of youngsters than we've had for a while.

 

[Supersi32]

It's funny how people see different things in games, I thought Parrett was the only player that DID stand out. Granted I was watching him closely but he didn't do much wrong and seemed the most eager to get involved and mix it up.

Unlike the number 7 (Mellis) who was fuckin awful, he literally didn't complete a pass and offered nothing in the game.

My interpretation of standing out, is when you think to yourself, yes, this kid has got something, he looks like a real talent, which unfortunately for me Parrett didn`t...I wouldn`t argue that him and Caulker were two of the better English players, but in general it was a poor team performance.

 

[JonnySpurs]

My interpretation of standing out, is when you think to yourself, yes, this kid has got something, he looks like a real talent, which unfortunately for me Parrett didn`t...I wouldn`t argue that him and Caulker were two of the better English players, but in general it was a poor team performance.

Fair enough

 

[JonnySpurs]

I couldn't disagree with you more. Parrett from what i have seen from him is a ball player. His workrate of the ball needs to improve, but is very comfortable with the ball at his feet when facing forward.

Bostock is the typical media hype player that let it go to his head. Only two players i know have coped with that sort of hype before even playing for the first team and that was Rooney and J Cole. I really don't think he has improved at all since he has joined us.

Mason and Smith are going to end up tidy lower championship players at the best and Townsend could either go two ways. Improve like Lennon did and become less predictable or he will end up in League 1 or 2.

As for Caulker he has everything to make it a Spurs. His positional sense will improve with age and experience, but the fact he big, strong, quick, comfortable with the ball at his feet reminds me of Ledley when i first saw him the FA Youth Cup final many years ago.

To be fair, I've seen Parrett play once and I agree that he is much more of a ball player than Parker is now, I guess I'm thinkin more of the player at Charlton that was more of a goal scorer, attacking player than the box to box defensive scrapper we see at Wham. In that England game tho I saw Parrett battling hard with one particular player on the dutch side, and a couple more times too he just seemed ready to mix it up if needed.

I'm inclined to agree about Townsend but his speed and skill do give him the potential to be of say at least Etherington caliber if he can start producing a cross then he could easily be a starter in the prem, for spurs or otherwise....I like what I've seen he just needs to make better decisions, has a tendancy to pass when he should shoot and vice versa.

Smith as a RB looks like he has all the tools but it's the same with all young players to my mind they have to make the right choices at the right times or they will all end up in the lower leagues like SO many young spurs players in the past i.e. Johnnie Jackson, Charlie Lee etc

Totally agree about Caulker

 

[JonnySpurs]

I think it's probably worth trying to get rid of a total falsehood about Bostock here

There's a rumour that his attitude is bad. There's a good poster on NLP called Mickster who wrote the following:

"Bostock has a terrific attitude - first hand from one of his coaches, one of his problems is that he can be a little laid back and not demonstrative enough but his attitude has never been in question.

At Brentford he went there and was dissapointed when left out of the side for a more physical player and that went against him, Brentford even said the same. PS Dos Santos who Harry mentioned as a clubber - Bostock is tee total"

Didn't know any of this and was only going based on what I had heard. I more than anyone want to see Bostock come through and be the star he was expected to be so lets hope it happens.

 

[Wsussexspur]

I watched all of the first game and most of the second half v holland and I was really impressed with Parrett thought he looked a really good prospect. Maybe im being abit biased here but i thought he was Man of the match against Austria in the first game. Caulker looked a decent player as well did ok in both games! Bostock was disapointing however to be fair to him maybe im expecting to much of him considering the hype that surrounded his signing for us.