Dele Alli at Everton

[fortworthspur]

Regardless of where he plays, he's been in poor form for a long time and my point is its unfair to attribute that to Jose...

we arent playing to his strengths. someone here called him a "luxury player" a while back which may be true.

 

[yid-down-under]

Apart from dele Toby has also been left behind. Is he leaving too?

btw anyone know the exact squad travelling?

 

[dtxspurs]

Apart from dele Toby has also been left behind. Is he leaving too?

btw anyone know the exact squad travelling?

Toby didn’t just get hooked at halftime and had 3 reporters say he may leave on loan.

 

[phillipjpalmer]

I'd be interested to see his running stats because although he can look languid when he runs I always think he covers a lot of distance when he plays.
He was brilliant the season where we pressed really high, turning over the ball and I think that plus playing different roles has stagnated his development.
I think having bale stretch teams and put decent quality in the box can help him get back into goal scoring form if he plays

 

[yid-down-under]

Toby didn’t just get hooked at halftime and had 3 reporters say he may leave on loan.

my point is try not to jump on the media band wagon

 

[fortworthspur]

Toby didn’t just get hooked at halftime and had 3 reporters say he may leave on loan.

yeah Toby's never been in the doghouse and rumored to be on the way out.

 

[dtxspurs]

yeah Toby's never been in the doghouse and rumored to be on the way out.

Not the point I’m arguing?

 

[fortworthspur]

btw, if any of you read the transcript of Jose's presser you saw that he admitted pulling Dele for Sissoko was the wrong decision.

 

[Chirpystheman]

I'd be interested to see his running stats because although he can look languid when he runs I always think he covers a lot of distance when he plays.
He was brilliant the season where we pressed really high, turning over the ball and I think that plus playing different roles has stagnated his development.
I think having bale stretch teams and put decent quality in the box can help him get back into goal scoring form if he plays

Distance covered can hide a lot of things. It can mean out of position and constantly running to get back into position. Always making runs off the ball and hiding from actually getting the ball. Running more doesnt always mean high levels of involvement.

 

[1882andallthat]

Here's a thought - how about the return of Bale and the arrival of Reguilon gives him extra motivation to up his game.....

 

[Rocksuperstar]

I think everyone needs to pause and take a breath and remember Lennon.

He hit a plateau in his twenties after lighting up the wing for a few years, lot of fans wrote him off as a prodigy who was great for his age but was now being passed as his peers caught up, he had stagnated. Few new teammates, couple of months of reflection and hard work and he was tearing it up again.

Sometimes players level off for a while but Dele clearly has a lot of skills and is keen and, be honest, who can really blame him? The last year or so has been rocky for the club generally, with the lows inevitably making more of an impact because we were coming from higher highs - give him time, give him Bale, Kane & Son around him and a solid midfield arrangement, I have a lot of faith in him still.

He's also taller than I realised.

 

[Joely]

With Bale arriving, do wonder if Dele is wondering whether he is going to be getting enough playing time ahead of making it into the England squad. Suspect Mourinho will turn to a 433 and I can't see past Kane, Bale and Son taking the 3 forward positions.

Really not convinced about him as a central midfielder and think he'd need to improve his all round game to play there on a regular basis but maybe he could take up the the furthest position in midfield with say Lo Celso and Hojbjerg just behind him?

Suppose what we get from Ndombele is another factor. If (still currently a massive if) he does somehow manage to sort his fitness and off the ball work ethic, then with his ability to beat the press and break the lines with his passing, difficult seeing him not taking a place in a midfield 3 and it makes things even more difficult for Dele.

Certainly interesting times for him and just feel he needs to take his game up a notch or two and work on becoming a more well rounded player. When on song, no doubt he has goals in him and possesses quality with some of his play but when it's not going for him can really begin to look bit of a passenger and this is where I think Mourinho will be wanting much more from him.

 

[DJS]

Now a Bale and a Reguilon and Mourinho wants a CB and a striker, oh, and if D1’s info is good, an attacking midfielder too.

So yeah.

Who gives a shit if we do finally buy our way to success?

 

[Timberwolf]

I think everyone needs to pause and take a breath and remember Lennon.

He hit a plateau in his twenties after lighting up the wing for a few years, lot of fans wrote him off as a prodigy who was great for his age but was now being passed as his peers caught up, he had stagnated. Few new teammates, couple of months of reflection and hard work and he was tearing it up again.

Sometimes players level off for a while but Dele clearly has a lot of skills and is keen and, be honest, who can really blame him? The last year or so has been rocky for the club generally, with the lows inevitably making more of an impact because we were coming from higher highs - give him time, give him Bale, Kane & Son around him and a solid midfield arrangement, I have a lot of faith in him still.

He's also taller than I realised.

I feel like we've been giving him a chance for a couple of seasons now, though.

Other than the hot streak when he was played as a shadow striker when Jose first came in, he's been a consistent weak link in the side. He's always capable of individual moments of brilliance but we need a player who can do the simple stuff as well as the spectacular.

So much of our attacking play breaks down due to Alli having a poor touch, overplaying or making a poor decision. If he was still scoring 15+ league goals it might be forgivable but at the moment we're effectively building our team around a player who is good for about 8 goals and whose general play hinders the team more than it helps it.

There's definitely a player in there but with each passing season I'm starting to think we won't see him at his best again at Spurs. I really hope I'm wrong but week after week he frustrates and dissappoints far more than he excites. He either needs to be dropped and made to truly fight for his place in the team, or moved on if we can find a decent buyer.

I think if we were to play Lo Celso as a number 10 for an entire season he'd not only get similar or better numbers but our possession and all round attacking play would improve a great deal.

 

[fortworthspur]

I feel like we've been giving him a chance for a couple of seasons now, though.

Other than the hot streak when he was played as a shadow striker when Jose first came in, he's been a consistent weak link in the side. He's always capable of individual moments of brilliance but we need a player who can do the simple stuff as well as the spectacular.

So much of our attacking play breaks down due to Alli having a poor touch, overplaying or making a poor decision. If he was still scoring 15+ league goals it might be forgivable but at the moment we're effectively building our team around a player who is good for about 8 goals and whose general play hinders the team more than it helps it.

There's definitely a player in there but with each passing season I'm starting to think we won't see him at his best again at Spurs. I really hope I'm wrong but week after week he frustrates and dissappoints far more than he excites. He either needs to be dropped and made to truly fight for his place in the team, or moved on if we can find a decent buyer.

I think if we were to play Lo Celso as a number 10 for an entire season he'd not only get similar or better numbers but our possession and all round attacking play would improve a great deal.

who said Alli should be a number 10? Thats where Jose played him Sunday but that isnt where he had his most success. He was much more influential when he played outside opposite Sonny, and thats how he should be used. Its just that we've shipped so many CMs that he has been asked to play there.

 

[St José Dominguez]

Need to bare in mind we have two games in 48hrs next week, maybe Dele is one of the guys we’ve decided will play the league cup game thusly we’re saving him. Gonna have to be a hell of a lot of rotation over the next month if we are successful in our knockout games. Europa is an obvious aim but I think the club will still want to try stay in the league cup too as it’s still a trophy.

 

[DannyNZ]

We will not progress as a team while we have talented players like Dele and Moura not able to execute the basic skills resulting in us turning over possession and not able to build any pressure. These two were abysmal on the weekend in that respect and JM could have pulled either or both. They both need to step up in that area or they shouldn’t be in the starting 11

 

[Cochise]

Dele had a crap first half with some poor touches, but I don't think he should've been hooked at half time.

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

The ting is we have a massive run of games in short period of time, thursday, sunday, tuesday sunday, so squad rotation is key right now, JM needs to be wise of game manament and players fitness and not to pick up injuries etc.... it makes sense to have some key players rested for sunday , therefore the team is mixed with rested and non rested players , rather than all non rested to give us the best chance.

 

[carpediem1906]

Dele Ali's struggles started at the same time as Eriksen faltered. He was on the end of what Eriksen did.

Eriksen facilitied Ali.

N'Dombele is the solution to the Ali puzzle.

I could be talking tosh, overly optimistic, making excuses or deluded.

Spot on wrt Eriksen n Dele

Dele’s goals were always largely due to
- accurate long balls from the back that found his runs against defences that play a higher line
- laser guided crosses or passes from Eriksen predominantly, some from Coco Serge n Sonny and a few instances, Davies and GLC were looking for him
- us pressing high n won back possession and within 2 passes put Dele in finishing position

Many have pointed out before that he’s a 2 touch player, within 2 touches must finish or lay it off, any more time or dwelling, he is less lethal

Dele always seemed ineffective if
- opponents sit deep
- we don’t press aggressively

also, I don’t think tanguy plays the kind of balls Eriksen is so so so good at. That kind of whipped precision. Dele would benefit from an Eriksen or a KDB or a Pirlo or Ozil or TAA or Robertson.

If he is willing to stay and grind and fight, there will be matches suited for him to shine.

But he must be prepared that he is no longer in the default first xi - especially if we go 4-3-3 or 3-4-3