Danny Rose

[Blockbuster]

But can we? This is the point.

Similar things were said when we sold Bale - "sell Elvis, buy the Beatles". The vast majority were of the opinion that, gutting though it was to lose such a great player, the team would actually be stronger as a consequence. Sadly not, as it turned out. If we sell Rose and buy some highly rated left back from Europe, there is no guarantee that he won't do a Soldado / Paulinho / Lamela on us. And there is no left back in the Premier League who we could buy who is currently playing better than Rose. So let's keep him.

I'm under no illusions that Danny Rose is a world class left back. But he should be one of the last players that we're looking to sell right now. Let's fix all the areas of the team that are going badly wrong before trying to upgrade one of the few areas of the team that is working relatively well. That's the only sensible way to proceed. It's about priorities.

Think Bale is a special player and cost Madrid £85m for a reason, Rose isn't irreplaceable. We already have Ben Davies who I think is a better prospect, so maybe wouldn't even need to replace as such, We could get a older more experienced pro in, or someone much younger.

Every transfer is a risk, like you've pointed out, but offers upwards of £10m for players don't come that often, is Rose performs badly next season and cant get a game due to Davies showing excellent form, his price will tumble City won't pay up and we end up selling to Sunderland for £6million.

 

[jambreck]

Think Bale is a special player and cost Madrid £85m for a reason, Rose isn't irreplaceable. We already have Ben Davies who I think is a better prospect, so maybe wouldn't even need to replace as such, We could get a older more experienced pro in, or someone much younger.

Every transfer is a risk, like you've pointed out, but offers upwards of £10m for players don't come that often, is Rose performs badly next season and cant get a game due to Davies showing excellent form, his price will tumble City won't pay up and we end up selling to Sunderland for £6million.

Davies hasn't shown anything in a Spurs shirt yet to suggest that he's close to Rose's current level. Leaves me a bit "meh", to be honest (though I obviously hope that he improves and mounts a proper challenge for a starting place). As it stands, we'd be an even less dynamic and pacy team with him as first choice. And we really......really........cannot afford that!

Of course Rose isn't irreplaceable. But, as I said, why even try when there are so many other, far more important things to be done with the squad? Get the rest of it fixed first before looking at how to upgrade one of the few parts of the team that is working relatively well.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Think Bale is a special player and cost Madrid £85m for a reason, Rose isn't irreplaceable. We already have Ben Davies who I think is a better prospect, so maybe wouldn't even need to replace as such, We could get a older more experienced pro in, or someone much younger.

Every transfer is a risk, like you've pointed out, but offers upwards of £10m for players don't come that often, is Rose performs badly next season and cant get a game due to Davies showing excellent form, his price will tumble City won't pay up and we end up selling to Sunderland for £6million.

Do you have a LB in mind?

 

[h2005]

He's much improved but still not up to the mark defensively. I like defenders who are able to defend. Not too many knocking around the club at the minute.

 

[Blockbuster]

Do you have a LB in mind?

No one springs to mind.

but in a summer where we could be making significant losses on other players we sell (Soldado, Paulie, Lamela, Vlad etc etc) we may need to make up the shortfall by selling some of our 'better' players, who are equally as replaceable.

£20m for rose would make up for a £15m loss on Soldado for example... (yes all highly unlikely i know but still)

 

[THFCSPURS19]

No one springs to mind.

but in a summer where we could be making significant losses on other players we sell (Soldado, Paulie, Lamela, Vlad etc etc) we may need to make up the shortfall by selling some of our 'better' players, who are equally as replaceable.

£20m for rose would make up for a £15m loss on Soldado for example... (yes all highly unlikely i know but still)

Let's sell Kane and Lloris then. That'll make up for it.

You've even said no one springs to mind and that's because there is no one we could realistically get that could replace him and strengthen our team and I am sick and tired of us weakening it.

 

[jambreck]

No one springs to mind.

but in a summer where we could be making significant losses on other players we sell (Soldado, Paulie, Lamela, Vlad etc etc) we may need to make up the shortfall by selling some of our 'better' players, who are equally as replaceable.

£20m for rose would make up for a £15m loss on Soldado for example... (yes all highly unlikely i know but still)

Selling an in form player for £20m won't make up for making a loss of £15m on an under performing player.

We will still have lost £15m on the under performing player. Only......we will also have lost an in form player too!

In purely accounting terms, there isn't anything inherently wrong with making a loss anyway. It means paying no tax, for one thing - and reduces our tax liability in future years when we do make a profit - because we can carry forward that loss.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

He's much improved but still not up to the mark defensively. I like defenders who are able to defend. Not too many knocking around the club at the minute.

Rose has improved a lot this season and I suspect it's more to do with his attitude than anything. It's no surprise that the players he used to be seen with (Naughton and Lennon) have left the club, resulting in improvements in Rose's game. However, he still at times forgets to track back, dives into challenges, throws hissy fits and is wasteful going forward. He's done well but we have to remember he's a decent enough player but not an exceptional talent like Kane. He was a liability last season and you don't go from that to 'not for sale at any price' in under 12 months, especially if you're not an exceptional talent. What's Rose worth without looking at it from a Spurs PoV? I would would say he's marginally better than Davies therefore circa £10-12m. If Man City come a long and offer £12m, we say sod off and happily keep him for next season in the hope he'll continue to improve. However, if City say here's £17-20m, we should snap their hands off without hesitation.

 

[Farms14]

Think Bale is a special player and cost Madrid £85m for a reason, Rose isn't irreplaceable. We already have Ben Davies who I think is a better prospect, so maybe wouldn't even need to replace as such, We could get a older more experienced pro in, or someone much younger.

Every transfer is a risk, like you've pointed out, but offers upwards of £10m for players don't come that often, is Rose performs badly next season and cant get a game due to Davies showing excellent form, his price will tumble City won't pay up and we end up selling to Sunderland for £6million.

Not sure we should sell Rose this year just in case he has a bad season next year. That makes no sense. no club can run in that manner surely

 

[We'llWinThePrem]

No need to sell

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Rose has improved a lot this season and I suspect it's more to do with his attitude than anything. It's no surprise that the players he used to be seen with (Naughton and Lennon) have left the club, resulting in improvements in Rose's game. However, he still at times forgets to track back, dives into challenges, throws hissy fits and is wasteful going forward. He's done well but we have to remember he's a decent enough player but not an exceptional talent like Kane. He was a liability last season and you don't go from that to 'not for sale at any price' in under 12 months, especially if you're not an exceptional talent. What's Rose worth without looking at it from a Spurs PoV? I would would say he's marginally better than Davies therefore circa £10-12m. If Man City come a long and offer £12m, we say sod off and happily keep him for next season in the hope he'll continue to improve. However, if City say here's £17-20m, we should snap their hands off without hesitation.

I'd sell for £30million, same price as Luke Shaw.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

I'd sell for £30million, same price as Luke Shaw.

Oh yes, United's calamity signing lol.

It's right the club should fight to keep their highly talented young players but when it comes to average players punching above their weight for a season or 2, there's times where you have to sell them whilst their stock is high. Take Paulinho for example, he had some good and bad moments last season and there was a time during the summer where he was being linked with a big money move elsewhere... we hung onto him and looked how that turned out lol. Then there's Townsend, with the club reportedly turning down circa £15m for him last summer... another's who's value one would suspect has crashed.

 

[bubble07]

he has been our 4th best player this season so the offer will need to be huuuuge

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Oh yes, United's calamity signing lol.

It's right the club should fight to keep their highly talented young players but when it comes to average players punching above their weight for a season or 2, there's times where you have to sell them whilst their stock is high. Take Paulinho for example, he had some good and bad moments last season and there was a time during the summer where he was being linked with a big money move elsewhere... we hung onto him and looked how that turned out lol. Then there's Townsend, with the club reportedly turning down circa £15m for him last summer... another's who's value one would suspect has crashed.

Shaw hasn't been a calamity signing at all.

And maybe....just maybe...Rose isn't actually an average player. Maybe his form at Sunderland, his performances under AVB before he got injured and this season is actually what he usually plays like, and last season was a blip.

He's actually been very good more than he's been poor, but some people just can't get last season out of their heads.

 

[Shadydan]

He's much improved but still not up to the mark defensively. I like defenders who are able to defend. Not too many knocking around the club at the minute.

You won't find many modern day full backs who can defend in many other clubs either.

 

[Good Doctor M]

Selling Rose just isn't going to happen, not yet. He will only improve. Danny knows this. Give it a few years and this could happen. But now. Doesn't add up when you consider our selling policy. We sell our players at their peak profit.

 

[rocklink]

50m and sell him

 

[SFCS]

Rose has improved a lot this season and I suspect it's more to do with his attitude than anything. It's no surprise that the players he used to be seen with (Naughton and Lennon) have left the club, resulting in improvements in Rose's game. However, he still at times forgets to track back, dives into challenges, throws hissy fits and is wasteful going forward. He's done well but we have to remember he's a decent enough player but not an exceptional talent like Kane. He was a liability last season and you don't go from that to 'not for sale at any price' in under 12 months, especially if you're not an exceptional talent. What's Rose worth without looking at it from a Spurs PoV? I would would say he's marginally better than Davies therefore circa £10-12m. If Man City come a long and offer £12m, we say sod off and happily keep him for next season in the hope he'll continue to improve. However, if City say here's £17-20m, we should snap their hands off without hesitation.

You could say that of any attacking full back in the World.

Rose was never a bad player, he made a lot of mistakes last season but so did every defender in that side and the midfield set up in front of the defence frequently took awhile to get to grips with the game as it was unbalanced. There were a few of us last season that saw hope for the lad, although for most the odd bad mistake seemed to totally overshadow his good work going forward and his, at times, excellent tackling.

All this attitude stuff is rubbish, he was never a problem but people like to assume that anyone playing badly has a bad attitude and anyone playing well is an angel. Nothing much has changed this season, just that the team is a bit more organised and a few more of his crosses(which are very good) are finding players in the box this season as we actually have a striker that attacks them. He put a number of brilliant balls across the face of goal last season which got glossed over because Ade/Soldado or whoever were always a yard off the pace, not his fault.

Anyway, in general terms, the way Betrand and Rose have proven themselves to many this season goes to show that we should be a little less quick to judge players and accept we don't always know best. Especially when 2 of the alternatives in Shaw and Moreno haven't exactly set the league alight for all their big reputations and big price tags.

 

[Blackrat1299]

The Chavs have jumped on the bandwagon now, I know its the Metro, plenty of salt.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/15/chels...d-for-tottenham-left-back-danny-rose-5151819/

 

[allatsea]

The Chavs have jumped on the bandwagon now, I know its the Metro, plenty of salt.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/15/chels...d-for-tottenham-left-back-danny-rose-5151819/