- Jun 13, 2008
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You never know, this time we might try..
The new pot one ruling is really annoying. I get why they did it but when you get teams like Spartak and Leicester in pot 1 ....
I believe it's only the top spot that gets you in a 'pot' per se, the rest of the teams are split by European ranking - so probably pot 3 again
Yep, but our performance was really bad this year, worse than most of our Europa campaigns coefficient wise. A merely competent performance wouldn't have done much though as we're miles behind Zenit in 19th - to move up any higher we'd have probably needed to reach the Europa semi-final or the Champions League quarters.Didn't we just miss out last season? I think even our poor performances should have given us enough points to get in pot 2
We will win the league anyway so it doesn't really matter.
Hoping for Barcelona. Wanna get the chance to see Messi live.
From next season the top 4 from the top 4 leagues all go straight into the group stage. So looking to the future we could do with boosting our coefficient or could be looking at pot 3 consistently, unless we win the league of course.
I assume United are there as Europa winners? Would they not be Pot 1 in that case?Current projection of Group Stage, based on current league positions and higher-seeded teams winning qualifiers:
Pot 1:
135.499 Juventus
171.771 Real Madrid
154.899 Bayern Munich
106.021 Chelsea
111.866 Benfica
62.266 Monaco
18.606 Spartak Moscow
87.526 Shakhtar Donetsk
Pot 2:
89.021 Manchester United
151.771 Barcelona
140.771 Atletico Madrid
98.866 Porto
126.266 PSG
112.771 Sevilla
124.899 Borussia Dortmund
100.021 Manchester City
Pot 3:
77.021 Tottenham
56.021 Liverpool
53.499 Roma
58.480 Anderlecht
74.415 Basel
88.499 Napoli
87.106 Zenit
64.580 Olympiakos
Pot 4:
15.899 RB Leipzig
15.899 Hoffenheim
23.092 Feyenoord
45.840 Beskitas
30.570 Red Bull Salzberg
37.800 Copenhagen
42.785 Celtic
34.175 Ludogorets
Indeed. And no - only the Champions League winners go into Pot 1, the Europa winners are seeded according to their coefficient as normal.I assume United are there as Europa winners? Would they not be Pot 1 in that case?
If we win the title, we'll be in Pot 1. But if we can't catch Chelsea, then will 2nd get us Pot 2 this time?
Current projection of Group Stage, based on current league positions and higher-seeded teams winning qualifiers:
Pot 1:
135.499 Juventus
171.771 Real Madrid
154.899 Bayern Munich
106.021 Chelsea
111.866 Benfica
62.266 Monaco
18.606 Spartak Moscow
87.526 Shakhtar Donetsk
Pot 2:
89.021 Manchester United
151.771 Barcelona
140.771 Atletico Madrid
98.866 Porto
126.266 PSG
112.771 Sevilla
124.899 Borussia Dortmund
100.021 Manchester City
Pot 3:
77.021 Tottenham
56.021 Liverpool
53.499 Roma
58.480 Anderlecht
74.415 Basel
88.499 Napoli
87.106 Zenit
64.580 Olympiakos
Pot 4:
15.899 RB Leipzig
15.899 Hoffenheim
23.092 Feyenoord
45.840 Beskitas
30.570 Red Bull Salzberg
37.800 Copenhagen
42.785 Celtic
34.175 Ludogorets
Imagine drawing Munich, Barcelona and Leipzig as your group.Current projection of Group Stage, based on current league positions and higher-seeded teams winning qualifiers:
Pot 1:
135.499 Juventus
171.771 Real Madrid
154.899 Bayern Munich
106.021 Chelsea
111.866 Benfica
62.266 Monaco
18.606 Spartak Moscow
87.526 Shakhtar Donetsk
Pot 2:
89.021 Manchester United
151.771 Barcelona
140.771 Atletico Madrid
98.866 Porto
126.266 PSG
112.771 Sevilla
124.899 Borussia Dortmund
100.021 Manchester City
Pot 3:
77.021 Tottenham
56.021 Liverpool
53.499 Roma
58.480 Anderlecht
74.415 Basel
88.499 Napoli
87.106 Zenit
64.580 Olympiakos
Pot 4:
15.899 RB Leipzig
15.899 Hoffenheim
23.092 Feyenoord
45.840 Beskitas
30.570 Red Bull Salzberg
37.800 Copenhagen
42.785 Celtic
34.175 Ludogorets
Imagine drawing Munich, Barcelona and Leipzig as your group.
Good point.Don't think you could get Munich and Leipzig as they are from the same country. But you could get Juve, Barcelona and Leipzig.
Either way no one wants to see Leipzig or Spurs names come out of those last two pots
We can't be in a group with other English clubs so does this change the dynamic?Likely Pot 3, slight chance Pot 2 (same as this time last year).
Next season we're going to be ranked as the 20th best team in Europe. Unfortunately, Spartak Moscow and in all likelihood Monaco are going to leapfrog us into Pot 1 despite having worse coefficients by winning their domestic leagues and/or the Champions League. That means to get into Pot 2, we need 6 of the teams above us not to make the group stage. Two of them - Schalke and Bayer Leverkusen - definitely won't. However, 4 other teams missing out is unlikely. The ones who might not make it are:
Atletico Madrid/Sevilla
Bourussia Dortmund
Arsenal*
Manchester United*
Manchester City*
Napoli
Zenit St. Petersberg*
The teams with asteriks (*) are the ones who might feasibly fail to qualify at all: the rest will, at worst, be in a qualifying round we'd have to hope they'd lose, noting that they'll all be seeded for it too. The two Spanish teams share a slot because one of them will finished 3rd and the other 4th, it's just a matter of which way round. So our best hope is:
Zenit fail to qualify (currently 1 point behind CSKA Moscow with a game in hand) or loses playoff
Liverpool finish 4th or, preferably, 3rd
Man Utd don't win the Europa League from 5th or 6th position
One other team unexpectedly messes up the playoff
That would help, yes, although we still need a couple other things in our favour regardless. But with 3/4 games to go they're 3 points behind, played a match more and have a far inferior goal difference so it's not particularly likely.So we need PSG to win the French league and we sneak in to pot 2
Doesn't change the pots at all, just means we have to draw one of the other sides in each pot. It probably makes it a little harder for us as I think the Manchester teams aren't as good as most of the others in Pot 2 but not a big difference really.We can't be in a group with other English clubs so does this change the dynamic?
Imagine drawing Munich, Barcelona and Leipzig as your group.
Don't think you could get Munich and Leipzig as they are from the same country. But you could get Juve, Barcelona and Leipzig.
Either way no one wants to see Leipzig or Spurs names come out of those last two pots