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Styopa

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Ehhh this feels somewhat revisionist, given he (apparently) wanted Mourinho in and tried to force a move in 2020 and 2021 before Conte came in. Seems to suggest a patience and a passiveness that wasn't necessarily the case.

Yeah. We had just been in the Champions League final the season before Mourinho joined and by all accounts Kane was pleased with the Mourinho appointment and unhappy when he was sacked.

When it became clear we were going backwards, Kane tried to force a move and refused to sign a new contract.

Gave Conte a chance? He didn’t really have much choice since we refused to sell him. Then he left as soon as we agreed a deal, which was fine and his right.
 

Rout-Ledge

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He’s gone there because it’s a huge club that is guaranteed to win trophies. It’s very funny that it looks like they won’t win one this season (when was the last time they failed to win anything in a season?) but he will win trophies at Bayern if he sees out his contract there.

I don’t want to see him go his career without a trophy, but it is a little funny that he’ll have to wait another year for it. The fact that he’s had outstanding personal success again but it still won’t bag him a trophy, even at Bayern, is almost hard to believe. It also goes to show that you can’t engineer these things.
 

Dennism

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Glenn Hoddle managed Chelsea, is he still a legend? Pat Jennings went to Arsenal, is he still a legend? We could go on like this all day.

Kane gave us his teenage years and his 20s. He doesn't owe us anything. We didn't win anything in that time, and that wasn't solely down to him. He gave Conte and Mourinho a chance to see if they could get us over the line. He could have given us a year and left on a free. Instead he left and brought in a decent sum of money. Yes, the timing of day before the season wasn't great but it was that or nothing.

Yes it's funny that he went for certain trophies and it doesn't appear to be happening at the moment (though it's only February and plenty of time for things to change this season), but he doesn't owe us anything.
I agree about Hoddle but the situation with Jennings was different. For some incomprehensible reason Spurs wanted rid of Jennings. It’s not like he actively wanted to join Arsenal.
 

Gassin's finest

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He’s gone there because it’s a huge club that is guaranteed to win trophies. It’s very funny that it looks like they won’t win one this season (when was the last time they failed to win anything in a season?) but he will win trophies at Bayern if he sees out his contract there.

I don’t want to see him go his career without a trophy, but it is a little funny that he’ll have to wait another year for it. The fact that he’s had outstanding personal success again but it still won’t bag him a trophy, even at Bayern, is almost hard to believe. It also goes to show that you can’t engineer these things.
Its almost like there's no such thing as a guaranteed trophy.
 

Gassin's finest

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Almost…if he stays at Bayern for four years though i would argue it is as close to a guarantee as you can get.
Plus there's 12 games left. Watch them pull it back.

Not that I want them to. A new champion will only be good for that league. I'd say Bayern's dominance is one part of why German football is in the doldrums right now.
 

Rout-Ledge

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Plus there's 12 games left. Watch them pull it back.

Not that I want them to. A new champion will only be good for that league. I'd say Bayern's dominance is one part of why German football is in the doldrums right now.
The PL isn’t much better these days sadly. Incredibly more English teams have won the CL than the PL in the past 6 years.
 

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German clubs scrap investment plans after protests - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68362884

Outstanding that the fans have got their way on this one. They really value what they have in Germany and aren't prepared to sell out. Good on them
You could argue that this staunchness is a big reason why the Bundesliga, and German football in general, has fallen behind so much in recent years. But Germans are stubborn when its comes to principles.
 

funkycoldmedina

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You could argue that this staunchness is a big reason why the Bundesliga, and German football in general, has fallen behind so much in recent years. But Germans are stubborn when its comes to principles.
It's never been a big league with global brands but what it has done is to remain affordable and true to itself.
When our fans speak about feeling disenfranchised and the playground for American investors, oligarchs and Oil states it's hard to see who has won.
If the EPL can actually use FFP to cool down some of the excesses then maybe we have but as the move towards a super league goes forward you can't help but think in the long term maybe the Germans could be proved right to stick to their principles.
 
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rossdapep

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"Elite" football in general is incredibly boring now, imo. If I didn't support Spurs I doubt I'd give it the time of day.
Totally agree with this.

It's why I think the Super League may end up being a good thing for those who just enjoy football.

The teams that really excite are the ones who are under that ELITE bracket. For example, Leverkusen this year and Ajax a couple of years back.

Not every brilliant player and coach will be involved in the super league and the other leagues may actually be a place for the most exciting talent/coaches to blossom and get bigger attention.

It's why I don't want Spurs to join. Cutting loose those elite clubs that gobble up everything may be the best thing for everyone else
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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Totally agree with this.

It's why I think the Super League may end up being a good thing for those who just enjoy football.

The teams that really excite are the ones who are under that ELITE bracket. For example, Leverkusen this year and Ajax a couple of years back.

Not every brilliant player and coach will be involved in the super league and the other leagues may actually be a place for the most exciting talent/coaches to blossom and get bigger attention.

It's why I don't want Spurs to join. Cutting loose those elite clubs that gobble up everything may be the best thing for everyone else
Super League could kill many domestic leagues.

Revenues would drop drastically at the top levels and that would filter down to the point where lower leagues/levels would be unsustainable.
 

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Super League could kill many domestic leagues.

Revenues would drop drastically at the top levels and that would filter down to the point where lower leagues/levels would be unsustainable.
No it wouldn't. People who support their local clubs will still go. The game will just normalise because clubs will no longer need to overspend to play catch up with the corporate behemoths.

Real football will never die because people love playing it and watching it.
 

rossdapep

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No it wouldn't. People who support their local clubs will still go. The game will just normalise because clubs will no longer need to overspend to play catch up with the corporate behemoths.

Real football will never die because people love playing it and watching it.
I think it would actually enhance it because a lot of poeple would get fed up of the elite clubs taking the piss.

A lot of people I know are already a little bit fed up with elite level football and feel the excitement is lost. That is only going to grow.

My hometown club are actually doing really really well now and there is a bit more of a buzz in the town. They fill the stadium and are expanding all the time. It is not a big town.

I think if Spurs joined the Super League and a Spurs fan was to go to a Barnet or Orient game, they would 'feel' more energy and excitement. The cost, the convenience, the passion etc etc would probably turn that fan around.
 

McFlash

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No it wouldn't. People who support their local clubs will still go. The game will just normalise because clubs will no longer need to overspend to play catch up with the corporate behemoths.

Real football will never die because people love playing it and watching it.
Yeah, I took my kids to our local team the other week and it was great. Good atmosphere, bumped into a few people I know and the kids now want to go every weekend they're with me. It's great because they get in free and it's only 8 quid for me.
The annoying this is that the last two games have been called off due to waterlogged pitches.

I'd love to take my middle lad to Spurs because he's a massive fan but it's just so expensive and hard to get tickets these days.
 

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I think it would actually enhance it because a lot of poeple would get fed up of the elite clubs taking the piss.

A lot of people I know are already a little bit fed up with elite level football and feel the excitement is lost. That is only going to grow.

My hometown club are actually doing really really well now and there is a bit more of a buzz in the town. They fill the stadium and are expanding all the time. It is not a big town.

I think if Spurs joined the Super League and a Spurs fan was to go to a Barnet or Orient game, they would 'feel' more energy and excitement. The cost, the convenience, the passion etc etc would probably turn that fan around.
Look at the attendances in National League, League Two... on the rise as people get increasingly priced out of and jaded with the Premier League. There's only, what... 10/12 regular Premiership clubs? The supporters of the remaining 100+ clubs couldn't give a monkeys if the top 6 cleared off to a super league.

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