Are we really a top club?

[michaelden]

Thanks,Yes because this shows that our fan base is local whereas the likes of United,Chelsea,Arsenal and Liverpool is GLOBAL!

Yip and mostly in Asia, and they are notoriously fickle. They put us to shame. A lot follow a player not a team. My work colleagues in the China, Shanghai office changed from Man Utd to Real when Becks moved. And they "support" both Real & Barca.

 

[stemark44]

Just think of all the new fans we must be attracting having Bale in our team.

I agree with this which is absolutely why we must keep him and invest money in bringing better players into the club.

 

[benny]

So clearly, the problem isn't a global one - its just we haven't marketed ourselves well in Thailand or Indonesia

Seriously though, 6th position in this kind of table is what i would expect based on the minimal presence in the CL. Perhaps there is a question over whether we could do more to punch above our weight in terms of global exposure. We don't seem to have the slickest marketing department out there, even things like kit launches we seem to be the last.

I don't have time right now, but it would be interesting to compare to the clubs below us to see how much more 'likes' we have than them. Aston Villa is pretty close from a quick check, Everton is surprisingly low (300k)

 

[stemark44]

Yip and mostly in Asia, and they are notoriously fickle. They put us to shame. A lot follow a player not a team. My work colleagues in the China, Shanghai office changed from Man Utd to Real when Becks moved. And they "support" both Real & Barca.

There obviously must be a percentage of those types but not the amount that would make a massive difference.

 

[CowInAComa]

See my problem with that table is that revenue isn't that important when it comes to a global brand.
The thing that is relevant is winning trophies.
Win trophies and everything else falls into place.
So if Daniel Levy thinks investing money on players isn't as important as investing in a new stadium.............he is wrong.

I thought the only thing relevant was facebook likes.

I dont think anyone believes a big stadium is better than on the pitch success or better players. We need a bigger stadium to be able to afford better players to win us trophies.

We cant compete with our direct rivals financially. A bigger stadium puts us in the game. Levy has to balance long term objectives with keeping us competitive in the short term.

 

[stemark44]

I thought the only thing relevant was facebook likes.

I dont think anyone believes a big stadium is better than on the pitch success or better players. We need a bigger stadium to be able to afford better players to win us trophies.

We cant compete with our direct rivals financially. A bigger stadium puts us in the game. Levy has to balance long term objectives with keeping us competitive in the short term.

Well that's exactly the question that troubles me most,what is the quickest way to make this club successful?
I used to believe that building a new stadium was the way to go but now I think building a successful team would be cheaper and a faster way to get there.

 

[Jimmypearce7]

I don't think this is a good guide. We are a big club but we are not in the new money bags club with Chelsea and Man City, PSG, and Monaco. Other teams like Arsenal hang in there by getting CL football every year.
We have fallen behind and need to catch up or risk becoming another team like Everton- just there to provide competition and make up the numbers. We still have a chance to do that but we have to go for it now while we have Bale.Two good strikers to join him and we could be right in there.

 

[JayX2A]

We are a big club. Week in, week out we had near capicity crowds and we would fill a bigger stadium. Just go and look at some of the matches involving the so called 'bigger' clubs and see the empty seats.

 

[CowInAComa]

Well that's exactly the question that troubles me most,what is the quickest way to make this club successful?
I used to believe that building a new stadium was the way to go but now I think building a successful team would be cheaper and a faster way to get there.

we have been trying to build a successful team since the 60s... I can only assume our lack of success is down to it being far from an easy thing to do. I cant believe you think it can be done cheap and fast

How exactly do you propose we compete with the Mancs and Chelsea in assembling this side bearing in mind we dont have their resources?

 

[Kendall]

No, not a top club. Top clubs are in the CL more often than not at a minimum. We're competitive, we have the advantage of being in an envied league, but we can't be classed as a top club IMO.

 

[michaelden]

Well that's exactly the question that troubles me most,what is the quickest way to make this club successful?
I used to believe that building a new stadium was the way to go but now I think building a successful team would be cheaper and a faster way to get there.

The problem with Asian fans is this, how many buy shirts etc... & how many are genuine shirts which actually result in income for the club?

 

[Kendall]

The problem with Asian fans is this, how many buy shirts etc... & how many are genuine shirts which actually result in income for the club?

I'd say almost close to 1% excluding Singapore/Japan

 

[mano-obe]

I think in England we have a huge fanbase all over the country, especially in the home counties. Our all time average attendance has been higher than any other club in London. The fans are there definitely, but we live in an age where there are many glory hunters too.

I don't think we're well supported across the globe compared to others at all. Sugar done an amazing job of turning Spurs finances around but didn't market us globally like United and Liverpool managed to. It didn't help I suppose we were crap then on the pitch.

If we get consistent champions league football I'm sure we'll have more appeal across the world. Levy is trying his hardest to make us big abroad too

 

[michaelden]

I'd say almost close to 1% excluding Singapore/Japan

that's still 2,000,000,000.00 people x 0.01 genuine Spurs shirt buyers x £0.50 direct club profit as a result of each sale = £10,000,000.00

Let's buy Messi, C Ronaldo, Falcao, Hummels, Pepe, Modric, Bernard, Lamela, and Honda and get into the CL & win it. Easy-peasy



... oh wait, we only made £10M... let's buy Routeledge

 

[E17yid]

Tottenham are the greatest team the world has ever seen. So yes, we are are "Top club"

 

[absolute bobbins]

I couldn't care less about this. some fickle idiot in Phuket clicks like because he thinks Bale is the cats meow, so what?

What is actually relevant is the number of supports clubs we have across the globe, people joining these because they feel that they have found a footballing home with Spurs. By all accounts our actual supporting base is growing considerably

 

[michaelden]

that's still 2,000,000,000.00 people x 0.01 genuine Spurs shirt buyers x £0.50 direct club profit as a result of each sale = £10,000,000.00

Let's buy Messi, C Ronaldo, Falcao, Hummels, Pepe, Modric, Bernard, Lamela, and Honda and get into the CL & win it. Easy-peasy



... oh wait, we only made £10M... let's buy Routeledge

But 23,000 more seats @ £50 per home game = £21,850,000.00 for 19 games only

Let's say 2000 of those seats are in premium boxes & are £250 per home game = an increase to £29,450,000.00

Plus a stadium rebuild is a direct asset investment. Buying a player is 1) a risk 2) they leave when contact length = 0 and therefore they depreciate faster than a built asset

 

[E17yid]

Who gives a fuck about facebook anyway?

Obviously we're not mental. Barca and the like obviously have better teams than us and they have bigger stadiums and moe trophies in the cabinet so you could say they are bigger and better clubs than us but I don't go along with that either.

It's quite simple. We all love THFC. They are the best and biggest, even when we're not. It's like the Mrs, she's fit, but obviously I wouldn't say no to Natalie Portman, there are also other more attractive women in the world. Doesn't stop me from thinking my mrs is an absolute knock out, because I love her. Same with Spurs.

 

[Jaffer99]

No, not a top club. Top clubs are in the CL more often than not at a minimum. We're competitive, we have the advantage of being in an envied league, but we can't be classed as a top club IMO.

I agree, We could be a top club with the right investors, but at the moment, we are a very good side, just not quite good enough to be a top club, we haven't won anything in ages, we have qualified once for the CL, not really the attributes for a top club..

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Lolz

A valid reflection? Even though (for example) only 67% of the population aged 18-29 use facebook?

Which doesn't take into account:

- Young fans under 18 who we have recently attracted through a very successful global push across the US, China and Africa.

- The 33% of the population that dont use facebook

- The older fans who do not use social media sites and have supported Spurs long before it became popular to like/follow them on social media sites.

-this doesnt take into account the other age ranges that are on facebook. I just picked the highest %, the rest are considerably lower.

Dont make ridiculous sweeping statements, then bash everyone down for rightfully calling out this stupid thread.

You're the one with your head in the sand.

I agree with your point, but from personal experience I can tell you that over 90% of 14-18 year-olds will have Facebook, at least in the UK.