rossdapep
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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou
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TEESSIDE1
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Do you remember under Conte when we played 343 with Kane, Son and Kulusevski up top? but due to Conte’s negative football, a front 3 that should make the opposition shit the bed were left to feed on scraps and spent most games with their back to goal and helping out the defence instead.
Whereas with Ange not just wanting his team to defend on the half way line, he also over commits his full backs leaving us wide open on the flanks. It doesn’t matter if the opposition have a Son, Kane or Kulusevski… 3 average Joe’s would and ‘have’ had a field day against our defence when their coach ‘allows’ his team to play progressive football and exploit the vast acres of space in behind our full backs. Without us having a DM who will bust his balls to get back we have on more occasions than we would like paid the price for our kamikaze approach.
Ange’s approach is a take all or nothing… it’s madness and needs reigning in. Look at Arsenal, they play 4 centre backs across the back four yet they still dominate possession, create chances for fun, clinical in front of goal and are solid in defence.
Stamford
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The most disappointing thing about the result is we've seen this under so many different managers.
the real job Ange has is changing the mentality of the entire club, including the board. Arsenal got it back but then the owners are winners in other sports. We need to start demanding more of the club imo, finishing fourth given what we pay and the finances involved isn't enough anymore.
the real job Ange has is changing the mentality of the entire club, including the board. Arsenal got it back but then the owners are winners in other sports. We need to start demanding more of the club imo, finishing fourth given what we pay and the finances involved isn't enough anymore.
idontgetit
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Overcommitting the fullbacks isn't always going against us though, we've had a really good defensive record until Fulham. It's more of a question of why does Ange's approach work against Villa but completely flops against Fulham?
Why were Fulham always getting behind us and between the fullbacks and CB's? Why couldn't we play one touch pass and move footy that opens them up?
I don't thinks it's anything as simple as 'kamikaze' football.
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Stamford
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our defensive record is horrible. We've conceded a crazy amount of goals
idontgetit
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I heard we something like the 4th best recently?
Plus against Villa our passing to our teammates was more than decent. Against Fulham it was very often poor or plain bad. Son is as guilty of this as anyone.
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I think its important to remember that it was 2nd half we took them apart and that they'd had a Euro match a few days prior. As Ange told the dressing room at HT 'They're tiring'
Stamford
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sorry maybe you were talking recently and I misread. I was talking across the season.
We have conceded a “crazy” amount of goals only if we say 95% of the teams in this league have conceded a “crazy” amount of goals.
I mean that’s possible, but then let’s not make out it’s an Ange problem, let’s just say it’s a problem for every team in the Premier League other than Arsenal and Liverpool.
We have to say that everyone from fourth down (Villa have conceded one goal less than us) have a “horrible” defensive record.
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hes got to go simple as
Misfit
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Right. but we controlled the game largely, crisp passing etc. And no doubt they were fatigued which helped.
I'm not even mad we lost the game yesterday. It was the manner. There was no excuse or tactical cause of their sloppiness and comparative piss poor touch, passing, movement etc.
I think our “suicide” defending is not “sustainable” and we have been “found out” and “we’ll never win anything” playing this way and we are so “naive” although Ange is a “lovely bloke” and maybe “he’ll learn” and a every other cliche we can think of.
I can't accept that this system can only work with VDV or some other cb with freakish pace. There's no way that Ange would knowingly set us up like that?
How did this high line work at Celtic? I know the quality is way lower but they must have been caught out a fair bit too?
Only 1 clean sheet in 19 or something? That's absolutely woeful for a top 4 chasing team.
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back Ange" before anyone starts.
How did this high line work at Celtic? I know the quality is way lower but they must have been caught out a fair bit too?
Only 1 clean sheet in 19 or something? That's absolutely woeful for a top 4 chasing team.
Obligatory "I
back Ange" before anyone starts.Yet we still have one of the best defensive records in the league.
So let’s also say Villa’s defensive record is “woeful” and Man U, and Brighton’s and West Ham’s. If words mean anything then we have to say all of these other top four chasing teams have equally woeful records.
-Afri-Coy-
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This is honestly the best post I've seen since the result yesterday.
It will take time, there will be embarrassing losses along the way but we need to stick to the plan and make progress each season. Eventually we could find ourselves in a similar position.
Ange has honestly over achieved this season, all things considered.
There will be the odd kneejerk reaction here and there and that's to be expected but being patient is the most important thing we need to do here.
COYS
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Honestly, I'd rather we qualify for Europa or the Conference league for next season.
We aren't winning the UCL anytime soon with the other super clubs in the form and with Madrid getting so much stronger in the summer.
Have a proper crack at actually winning something obtainable, build from there. It's all a part of the process.
Misfit
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I think the system will always give up more goals than a more defensively rigid one will. It's baked in, a feature not a bug. Not catastrophic etc but just more than others.
The strength of this system is the midfield and attack. The latter area especially needs a real injection of quality to make the system work more effectively. But then isn't that true of every single system? Hardly a unique problem to solve.
The strength of this system is the midfield and attack. The latter area especially needs a real injection of quality to make the system work more effectively. But then isn't that true of every single system? Hardly a unique problem to solve.
Keith Morris
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Some of the comments in here are unacceptable. It’s a loss and a game we should have been more competitive in and taken 3 points. Let it go and move on
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