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BorjeSpurs

BorjeSpurs

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FinnYid said:
We needed left footed CB and Micky has been great, his back up should be left footed and so far Ben is only one who can fill the boots. Radu might be great competition for Romero, but not for Micky
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Not a single poster (including yourself) asked for Davies over Dragusin before the game.

Saying it after the fact just comes across as a different way to moan about the game.

He was the most expensive January signing in the PL and it's just common sense that he didn't choose Spurs over Bayern to only compete for RCB spot with a WC winning defender and vice captain in Romero.
 
Trix

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SargeantMeatCurtains said:
I have no issue calling myself out on past shit-takes on players (there’s been plenty) but I’m yet to see anything to make me think he’s cut out for the PL. He’s looked poor in every cameo he’s made before today. Perhaps you could argue his case against a tiring Villa where VDV was arguably MOTM before coming off. I can recall him being quite fortunate to not give away a penalty in the closing stages against Everton and against Man Utd he inexplicably ducked under a cross which McTominay somehow put over the crossbar. He was poor today and should absolutely take a large chunk of the blame for our loss.
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Point is he's new to the league, new to this country and new to playing in this kind of gung ho system. It's not going to happen over night.

If we've identified him as having the fundamentals required to play for Ange, we've got to give him a minute to acclimatise.
 
Nine while nine

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SargeantMeatCurtains said:
He’s a full fledged international footballer and has played more league games in his career than Micky Van De Ven who is only 2 months older than him. You could see from the get go that VDV was built for the league, Dragusin isn’t.
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He hasn't played more league games in his career than van de Ven. Micky has played 106, and Radu 93.

Unless you mean top flight games.

Except he hasn't played more top flight league games in his career than van de Ven either. Micky has played 55, and Radu 45.

Apart from that, your post was spot on.


Apart from misspelling fully fledged

And van de Ven.

And judging a player after one full game.
 
Dazzazzad

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Nine while nine said:
He hasn't played more league games in his career than van de Ven. Micky has played 106, and Radu 93.

Unless you mean top flight games.

Except he hasn't played more top flight league games in his career than van de Ven either. Micky has played 55, and Radu 45.

Apart from that, your post was spot on.


Apart from misspelling fully fledged

And van de Ven.

And judging a player after one full game.
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I'd like to report a murder.
 
Tucker

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Trix said:
He's started one game in the Premier league after relocating to a different country. Had the settled experienced players pulled their collective fingers out, it wouldn't have been the baptism of fire it turned out to be. He's the last one I'm blaming for today's debacle.
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That’s fair, but it’s also fair to say he had a poor game.
 
SargeantMeatCurtains

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Nine while nine said:
He hasn't played more league games in his career than van de Ven. Micky has played 106, and Radu 93.

Unless you mean top flight games.

Except he hasn't played more top flight league games in his career than van de Ven either. Micky has played 55, and Radu 45.

Apart from that, your post was spot on.


Apart from misspelling fully fledged

And van de Ven.

And judging a player after one full game.
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I didn’t have you down as being overscrupulous but here we are.

The only error I’ve made in my post is mixing up VDV and Dragusin’s match appearances in my albeit speedy research, I didn’t go to the same lengths you did. With that said, it’s still splitting hairs.

For what it’s worth, full-fledged is perfectly acceptable. Unless you want to deduct a point off of me for missing the hyphen?

I’m not judging Dragusin after one appearance. I’m judging him based off of what he’s given me so far, which has been poor. Had McTominay scored the header he inexplicably missed from about a yard out after Dragusin decided to jump then duck underneath the ball rather than clearing it, I imagine he’d be under much more intense scrutiny.

The point of my original post was to highlight how VDV has looked made for this league from arguably worse conditions. He signed then was starting against Brentford within a week. Dragusin signed for us in the middle of January, has had the chance to train with the squad and still doesn’t look up to it.
 
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Trix said:
Point is he's new to the league, new to this country and new to playing in this kind of gung ho system. It's not going to happen over night.

If we've identified him as having the fundamentals required to play for Ange, we've got to give him a minute to acclimatise.
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Blimey, that's generous of you.
 
InOffMeLeftShin

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SargeantMeatCurtains said:
He’s a full fledged international footballer and has played more league games in his career than Micky Van De Ven who is only 2 months older than him. You could see from the get go that VDV was built for the league, Dragusin isn’t.
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You could see from his first game that Porro wasn’t built for this league.

I didn’t think Dragusin was anywhere near as bad in his first start as Porro was. There is a lot to work with and I think he’ll be good for us. Out hit rate in recent times has been really good, we’ve just been spoiled by the likes of Vic and Udogie who have been magic since game 1.

As for Davies, I love the dude. Proper professional, never lets us down and is wildly underrated. If VDV is a long term absence we have to decide if in the run in we go with the more raw Dragusin or the more steady Davies. If we are hunting top 4 Davies might be the choice but I imagine Ange will always look long term.
 
dontcallme

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InOffMeLeftShin said:
You could see from his first game that Porro wasn’t built for this league.

I didn’t think Dragusin was anywhere near as bad in his first start as Porro was. There is a lot to work with and I think he’ll be good for us. Out hit rate in recent times has been really good, we’ve just been spoiled by the likes of Vic and Udogie who have been magic since game 1.

As for Davies, I love the dude. Proper professional, never lets us down and is wildly underrated. If VDV is a long term absence we have to decide if in the run in we go with the more raw Dragusin or the more steady Davies. If we are hunting top 4 Davies might be the choice but I imagine Ange will always look long term.
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SargeantMeatCurtains said:
If there’s a way for us to back out of that Porro deal, we absolutely need to. He is complete and utter garbage.
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tobi

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Nice interview with him here, I think part 2 releases on Monday.

 
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