I completely agree. Romero and Richy in particular would be perfect for it.
Player Watch Player Watch: Guglielmo Vicario
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I completely agree. Romero and Richy in particular would be perfect for it.
thebenjamin
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Yup we need to highlight it and do coordinated barges on the opposition keeper. Would soon result in Vic getting free kicks or the opposition stopping doing it to him.
Johnny J
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I agree but Vicario is 27, not really a young keeper IMO.
McFlash
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That's different because the player shepherding the ball out is considered to be in control of the ball and is allowed to shield it with his body, it's up to the player trying to get the ball to get round him.
A defender blocking a keeper isn't protecting the ball because he's not in possession of it in the first place, it's just obstruction.
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McFlash
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Putting a man on the keeper is fine, as long as that man just stands his ground.
When he starts backing into the keeper to obstruct his movement it's a foul.
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I think a little too much is being made of him being too weak. It doesn’t help that pundits have said it today and vs city.
I don’t think there are many top keepers who are left so exposed on set pieces by their teammates despite having all 11 players in the box (mostly in the 6 yard box).
If you watch most top teams they will have a defender dealing with the blocker. For some inexplicable reason, our coaching staff choose not to. I would guess that any keeper in the league would struggle if a) they are nudged mid jump and b) they are hit with such an array of perfect deliveries as happened today.
I don’t think there are many top keepers who are left so exposed on set pieces by their teammates despite having all 11 players in the box (mostly in the 6 yard box).
If you watch most top teams they will have a defender dealing with the blocker. For some inexplicable reason, our coaching staff choose not to. I would guess that any keeper in the league would struggle if a) they are nudged mid jump and b) they are hit with such an array of perfect deliveries as happened today.
True. Although I still think 27 for a keeper is maybe the equivalent of 24 for an outfield player and given this was his first really big move and into a much more physical league we can still expect him to improve quite a bit.
Johnny J
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Agreed.
I completely agree it’s not all on him, but I think some of it is. I just feel like it’s something he needs to improve because maybe this wasn’t such an issue in Italy? I find it a bit weird people aren’t seeing this as a slight weakness in his game? Can’t we just say he’s a great keeper but maybe this is something he needs to work on?
I also agree our defenders need to do more to help him out but even aside from that he needs to stand a bit firmer in these situations. I really don’t think it’s unreasonable for him to manage that if we’re talking about him as being or becoming a top class keeper. Other keepers have managed it.
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People are saying that because they perceive that what brings out this "weakness" is an illegal move. So by just blankly stating someone needs to "stronger" feels like they need to be overcome someone cheating in this abstract way.
But it’s not cheating because there are numerous times those decisions have been given against keepers this season. It’s not a consistency thing imo because these decisions have gone in the attackers favour a number of times.
It’s not like there’s some absolute footballing law about these things. The rules change and evolve. We need to deal with how the law is being applied now, not how we might want it to be.
Ridiculous calling Vicario a victim. At best it’s a dubious refereeing decision that could have gone another way. But “victim”? Come on. That’s silly and maybe a bit disrespectful to actual victims.
Aleks
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Have the rules of the game changed this year that have specifically said that players can barge into the keeper when they are jumping ?
if not then the refs are refereeing the matches incorrectly
yido_number1
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I thought the city one was a legit goal, the one today the player wasn't even playing the ball and just barged into him.
No way that is given against Liverpool or arsenal
No way that is given against Liverpool or arsenal
A “barge” is a subjective term. But honestly I’m not sure what the actual written rules are and what advice referees are given. I just rely on how the rules are being applied generally.
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I am using hyperbole to make it simple to understand.
Tucker
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It doesn’t matter whether we think they’re fouls or not, because it’s clear the referees aren’t going to give any protection to him on this issue.
Therefore it’s a weakness in our play that needs addressing. It should have been planned for once it was successfully exposed against City. It’s worrying that we didn’t address it against either Brentford or Everton, and it’s cost us points today.
We need to offer him more protection by getting one of our own players in the way.
Therefore it’s a weakness in our play that needs addressing. It should have been planned for once it was successfully exposed against City. It’s worrying that we didn’t address it against either Brentford or Everton, and it’s cost us points today.
We need to offer him more protection by getting one of our own players in the way.
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If you were an opposition team playing Spurs, would you see it as a weakness? Because it’s clear Guardiola, Frank and Dyche think it’s a weakness and all teams have exploited it very well.
They are targeting him for a reason.
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