Player watch: Danny Rose

Locotoro said:

I can tell you first hand of the two interactions I've had with him that Danny Rose is all about Danny Rose.

Before he broke in to the first team and he was behind Assou Ekotto he was openly threatening to demand a transfer after his Sunderland loan. A family member spent some time with him during 2012 Olympics and he actually said at that time that he thought he was the better left back and he was top 3 in the league. He would leave if he wasn't first choice.

He's only quiet when he's playing.

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piedpiper said:

Most players aren't, I suppose. I guess I'm cutting him some slack as a result of his mental health condition and I deal with a family member who has it. They lash out and make everything about them.... So maybe I'm just a touch more sympathetic to him.

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BringBack_leGin said:

Slander suggests something was said which is false.

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Yiddo100 said:

Are there any transfer windows open still? if we cancelled his contract ,he wouldn’t be able to sign for anyone who’s window is closed untill January

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Shadydan said:

There's a few 2nd hand experiences in here regarding Rose so how do we know they're true?

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BringBack_leGin said:

I can understand this, but I too have a close family member, my closest in fact, who has suffered severely mental health, to a genuinely life affecting and debilitating effect, and that person still displays humility, integrity and decency as a priority. I know every situation is different but I’ve actually found it offensive when I’ve continually seen Danny’s outburst justified by ‘well his mental health is poor’ as I struggle with the notion that it’s severe enough to alter his social awareness and perception but not so severe that he’s prevented from playing football professionally at the highest level.

I fully accept that mental health issues have multiple intangible effects and we’re barely scratching the surface in terms of the science behind it, I’ve seen this first hand as explained above, but I’ve just found it disingenuous when Danny gets a pardon for every unprofessional comment because of it.

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BringBack_leGin said:

Really is a piece of work.

This super ’loyal’ player has publicly spoken about his desire to leave at several points in his spurs career, has slagged off team mates and his employers, has been very boastful about his own ability and worth and has assumed responsibility for taking on behalf of both team mates and fans on many occasions.

Then there’s the misnomer about him having been a great player for us. Aside from fitness and professionalism issues that have restricted his average appearances to 20 in the league per season since returning from Sunderland, his form was only consistently good, and admittedly sometimes superb, between mid season 14/15 and mid season 16/17. Before that he ranged from ok to dreadful, understandable as he was young still, and since then it’s ranged from ok to dreadful, with one slight Indian singer in 18/19 which I personally believe was overstated as our expectations of him had dropped so low.

Ekotto, by contrast, is a player who generally seems to attract derision from our fan base, but actual ranged from good to great from pretty much the moment Redknapp joined to the moment he left, barring the odd moment of erraticism. He just happened to make one comment about his view on playing football professional v playing for enjoyment, which was blown out of all proportion, and as a result has made him victim of a tonne of confirmation bias regarding any post of any performance that looks like he didn’t take it seriously enough.

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BringBack_leGin said:

We don’t, I guess we make subjective judgement calls based on what we perceive from that posters overall style and personality, but I’m uncomfortable suggesting anyone is lying regardless of what side of the fence they are.

For what it’s worth, I think I’m pretty over with my opinions on Rose but I hope at the very least I’m not falling into the trap of presenting opinion as fact and I’m being clear that it’s my own subjective view rather than drawing a line in the sand over which I won’t contemplate compromise.

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Shadydan said:

Pretty sure free agents can sign for anyone at any point, not entirely sure though.

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“Our only motivation this week was remembering all the nonsense that Arsenal posted after the game of a few weeks ago.

“Players that have only played ten games for Arsenal were getting ahead of themselves.

“They had won a game at the beginning of December yet they were celebrating like they’d just won the League.

“We were fully relishing the opportunity to put the result right and we’re over the moon that we have done that.

“They say that karma is...well, you know what they say. And Arsenal fully got what they deserved.

“We had the chance to get to the semi-finals, but the cherry on top was silencing Arsenal.

“Let’s see where they are come the end of the season and then we’ll see where we are.”

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Shadydan said:

I don't get why you'd be uncomfortable suggesting that a 2nd had opinion on someone could be a lie or could be twisted yet you like many others are happy to spread and believe negative rumours just because it suits one's agenda and fits with their confirmation bias.

I will always have a problem with the way we idolise certain players who have played for this club who have done thing worse or to the equivalent of Rose yet they get idolised whilst I get the impression that it's just very easy to dislike or turn against Rose especially on the back of some rumours.

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BringBack_leGin said:

What rumours have I spread? It’s in black and white from his own mouth that he openly wanted to leave, it’s in black and white from his own mouth that he’s made comments which are disrespectful to current team mates as well as to the club and this is more than one instance, and it’s in black and white from his own mouth that he believes he was powered by the club something beyond what he was getting. These aren’t rumours, these are tangible, directly and evidentially attributable, events which have taken place. Yes, accusing him of being unprofessional is subjective, but it’s not exactly a stretch from the evidence at hand. Equally, accusing him of less output than some would credit him with is a matter of opinion, but I can’t see why that’s a particularly heinous crime other than one worthy of being disagreed with.

I really don’t see what content in any of my posts should open me up to being called a liar.

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Shadydan said:

? I didn't say anything about you spreading rumours. I'm not talking about what he said or did, I'm talking about those who are taking other people's opinions and believing them as gospel.

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Shadydan said:

? I didn't say anything about you spreading rumours. I'm not talking about what he said or did, I'm talking about those who are taking other people's opinions and believing them as gospel.

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Shadydan said:

you like many others are happy to spread and believe negative rumours

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Trix said:

Lol. It's as if you don't do exactly the same when it suits your agenda.

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BringBack_leGin said:

You said I’m happy to believe and spread negative rumours.



You also suggested that this is because I have an agenda. I’ll admit that I don’t like it but I also think I’ve been more than supportive, pausing and applauding off Rose during those spells where he was in fact very good.

Ultimately I’m not actually bothered about him as a person, I don’t overly feel the need to like any player on a personal level if they play well for us, as in actuality with a very few exceptions I think that what we do know about all players, including Rose, is nowhere near enough to form a valid opinion, and actually away from football I have a lot of admiration for Rose’s dealing with racial issues, his contribution to both Tottenham’s and Doncaster’s local communities, etc. My only real point in this thread, which I think has probably been lost in a discussion that wasn’t what I originally thought I’d be having (probably my fault) is that I don’t think he’s deserving of being called loyal, and I don’t think he’s produced as much for Spurs on the pitch as people credit him with. Subjective points ultimately but I accept why people would disagree, as he has been for us a long time and for a couple of years he was excellent, while peoples will have different perceptions of how good he was or want in the time before and after those couple of years.

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piedpiper said:

Look I don't think he's an angel not by any stretch of the imagination... Most players aren't, I suppose. I guess I'm cutting him some slack as a result of his mental health condition and I deal with a family member who has it. They lash out and make everything about them.... So maybe I'm just a touch more sympathetic to him.

I understand your view and experience and understand your feelings on it. I had the opportunity to meet some of the squad a few years back well about 13 yrs back when Martin Jol was in charge... My favourite player at the time was Robbie Keane and he was the most miserable and unaccomodating twit I've ever met. Changed my view in him forever.

When they visited SA again I got to meet Michael Dawson, VDV, Crouch and quiet a few others who were so awesome

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Shadydan said:

There's a few 2nd hand experiences in here regarding Rose so how do we know they're true?

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Trix said:

Won't be around for long.

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