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Totally disagree. You don’t end up with discontented squad for no reason. The balance always has to be struck. It’s not like our dressing room is full of pricks like Hazard
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MichaelPawson
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A lot was made of the "no dickheads" rule that Poch instituted at Spurs (though there are obviously a few exceptions thrown in there, as there always has been where he's managed). A lot of these guys were recruited or retained at least in part because they were hardworking guys who had their heads on straight. For not just one, but a bunch of these players to suddenly change into malcontents? Feels to me like they might have a valid grievance(s).
Poch needs to be brave. Drop all the players that won't sign or we tried to sell, there's too many with question marks over their future which isn't good for team harmony.
Give the youth a chance to fill the holes and go back to 4-2-3-1 bring Dier back into the fold and play him and winks as the 2, Ndombele, Son and Alli behind Kane. I would give Alli until January, if his form doesn't improve sell him.
Give the youth a chance to fill the holes and go back to 4-2-3-1 bring Dier back into the fold and play him and winks as the 2, Ndombele, Son and Alli behind Kane. I would give Alli until January, if his form doesn't improve sell him.
TorontoYid
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We don't have depth in defense. A couple of injuries and we are in trouble. And when Kane gets tired or injured? Son is good but not on the same level
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VancouverSpur
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Fans support for Football managers are much like politics in that your are in your corner and you stay there until the end defending them even when common sense says you should stop. The real issue for me is that we as fans never know what is going on behind closed doors and so we can either stick with our own narrative or we use our eyes to judge what we can see.
ITK has said that there is discontent with tactics and stale coaching. They also said that we could have signed someone last season before the window closed but Poch only wanted what he wanted so we signed no-one. The list goes on in terms of is it Poch's fault or Levys fault or the players.
I can only judge with what I see both in training when we are allowed to see that and in games and also when Poch talks too the media. And what I see worries me enormously. Since the last minute winner at Fulham last season our form has been atrocious. Poch has been super moody and snippy and obfuscating at every turn. He has made insanely stubborn tactical decisions and selections again and again with no end in sight.
Finally if you take last night as a microcosm of Spurs you really do see where we are at. We started well and certain individuals talent is plain to see however from there it went downhill. His selections were questionable in that Aurier is a liability and Dele has no form to speak of and the rest of the back four is clearly unsettled and that is being polite. His tactics and in game management were horrendous to the point that he looked completely lost as the game entered the last quarter. Either he couldn't fix it or he just did not want to.
ITK has said that there is discontent with tactics and stale coaching. They also said that we could have signed someone last season before the window closed but Poch only wanted what he wanted so we signed no-one. The list goes on in terms of is it Poch's fault or Levys fault or the players.
I can only judge with what I see both in training when we are allowed to see that and in games and also when Poch talks too the media. And what I see worries me enormously. Since the last minute winner at Fulham last season our form has been atrocious. Poch has been super moody and snippy and obfuscating at every turn. He has made insanely stubborn tactical decisions and selections again and again with no end in sight.
Finally if you take last night as a microcosm of Spurs you really do see where we are at. We started well and certain individuals talent is plain to see however from there it went downhill. His selections were questionable in that Aurier is a liability and Dele has no form to speak of and the rest of the back four is clearly unsettled and that is being polite. His tactics and in game management were horrendous to the point that he looked completely lost as the game entered the last quarter. Either he couldn't fix it or he just did not want to.
$hoguN
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Or we could sack Pochettino and not alienate half our squad
RichieS
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Ah, the good old "but what if a greater than average number of players in the same position are injured at once?" argument. Our replacements in central defence are a drop in quality (more to do with the standard of the first choice two) but any of Sánchez, Foyth or Dier would be fine alongside either Jan or Toby for a few games. Davies is a perfectly solid left back. We have 2 specialist right backs and 3 centre backs who can play there (2 who have done so internationally).
Now in your opinion (or indeed mine) some of these players may not be close enough in quality to those they are expected to deputise for, but if we had money to spend on Dybala then we had money to spend on defenders if the manager had wanted.
Gb160
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There's very few clubs in world football with a first choice as good as Kane...expecting a backup of that level is just unrealistic.
TorontoYid
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Hard to say since judging from the ITK over the last 2 seasons we didn't exactly go all out to get the players we know Poch wanted. How many defenders were on his wish list that never even got considered?
TorontoYid
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Dybala would have been a good start
I suspect in January it's possible Spurs sell a player or two who don't play that often or who'll do better playing elsewhere, and maybe sign a new player, or welcome young loanees Amos, Marsh and Clarke to jazz up the squad. In summer, a couple of good signings to replace some we may lose, and the likely moving on of a couple of players who hadn't taken the hint by this coming January.
So there'll be movement, improvement, a sharpening of focus, and a squad refreshed though still to have additions to their number the following season. Pochettino will be just the man, aided by his immediate staff, to continue the good work in conjunction with Levy. You know, behaving like a club and supporters who refuse to behave like 'The Tribe That Lost Its Head'.
So there'll be movement, improvement, a sharpening of focus, and a squad refreshed though still to have additions to their number the following season. Pochettino will be just the man, aided by his immediate staff, to continue the good work in conjunction with Levy. You know, behaving like a club and supporters who refuse to behave like 'The Tribe That Lost Its Head'.
Doctor Dinkey
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Part of the problem is Levy's deep reluctance to sell players for less than what he regards as the market value. We have players on the books here who should have been moved on some time ago. It means that the squad becomes stale and we can't recruit quickly enough. We need to make big changes to our playing personnel, but not sure if the guy in charge of the purse strings will let it happen.
danielneeds
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It’s just a squad that has been together too long. Familiarity breeds contempt. I really don’t get the idea of getting rid of the manager when probably 6-7 players will be off next summer - Eriksen, Toby, Jan, Aurier, Rose, Wanyama, maybe more.
TorontoYid
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Summer transfers will all come down to our performance this season. We are now at a point where we can start attracting top players with CL football and top 5 league finishes but it is still early. Getting to the final of Champions League last season made people really take notice outside of the UK but unless we repeat that success and show it wasn't a fluke then we will take backwards steps. It takes repeatedly qualifying for CL and consistently getting to the finals to get the big players which is why Players prefer to go to Man Utd and Arsenal over us even if they only have Europa League.
I think this season is essential to our growth as a club and we have to perform well this season more than any season previously.
Trix
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Mate this is not something new, it's been going on for months. I suppose there is only so many times the players can say it discreetly to the manager, and nothing changes. Then things escalate because they are said in public. I've been posting for quite a while now how some of the players didn't like the set up and the roles they were being asked to do. It's not because of self entitlement, it's because its too demanding/difficult to do the way Poch wants it done.
You can't come out as a manager and say the players are not executing my instructions/following the game plan, when the truth is they are not physically able to do so.
Why he's being this stubborn about this system is beyond me and it's looking increasingly inevitable it will be his downfall.
spursgirls
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Inside of the first ten minutes I had said Gnabry was dangerous and we should be marking him much more closely. So why couldn't Poch see that and do something about it before he scored four goals?
Trix
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Do they all want out of the club, or just away from the manager? I would actually say it's a mixture of both tbh. Imo(slightly educated) the Belgians for instance would be happy to stay.
RichieS
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Not only that, but every time we have a spell without Kane people start asking "Are Spurs better without him?". What does that suggest?
Gb160
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Just so im clear here...
Everything good, like reaching the CL final, repeated top 4 finishes is all down to Poch.
Everything bad, like really poor form, getting humiliated by Bayern, dull tactics and football, is somehow all down to Levy.
How does that work again?
Everything good, like reaching the CL final, repeated top 4 finishes is all down to Poch.
Everything bad, like really poor form, getting humiliated by Bayern, dull tactics and football, is somehow all down to Levy.
How does that work again?
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