Harry Kane

Timberwolf · Jun 28, 2023

sidford said:
Thanks for sharing.

In relation to the first point there is no way Bayern have bid for a player who has no intention of moving to them. Kane and / or his reps have clearly told them he would move there if given the chance. Those talks would have happened long before a bid was submitted.

Could also just be Kane's brother playing billy big bollocks and telling Bayern what they want to hear. I think it's understandable Kane would be willing to chat with Bayern out of respect and see what they've got to offer but actually going there is another matter - and his brother has a history of overpromising in negotiations.

I just find it hard to believe Kane would join Bayern when he's 40 goals off the record. Don't buy it, personally.

mawspurs · Jun 28, 2023

Come January Kane will be able to negotiate with other clubs for a move next Summer. Nothing we can do about that.
I still want him to stay for as long as possible in a Spurs shirt though.

shoggy33 · Jun 28, 2023

People need to get their head around the fact he is going to be leaving either this summer or next. Does it not make sense to get a decent fee in so we can replace him properly? Put differently, if we were to offer £80m - £100m to loan a world class striker for a year would that be good value? It will be shit when he goes, but it is happening sooner or later, and when it does the rebuild will truly be underway as we will no longer be a team almost entirely built around one or two players.

sundanceyid10 · Jun 28, 2023

rossdapep said:
Said before we should keep him to try and comvince him we can still compete.

Comes down to a few factors for me now though.

1. Does Kane want to be here now? If he is genuinely angling for a move this summer then we may need to consider high others.

2. If the first part is true, does Ange want to try and keep him around or does he just want it sorting? This is really importante and Ange should get a huge say. Even if Levy is reluctant, Ange should be allowed to decide.

3. The fee. It has to be reasonable enough so that we can bring in at least 2 quality players. For example, say Kane goes for 70m and we decide Ferguson is the replacement...Brighton may turn around and ask for 50-60m leaving us with little else and a player who HAS to work immediately.

4. Available options. We dont need to necesarily spend it all now and we dont necesarily need like for like but there does need to be quality options identified. Maybe we have already done that and if so great. But we cant be wasting that by panicking and just signing players based on a few good months or getting ripped off. Targets need to have been properly analysed.

Lastly, it absolutely shouldnt effect our other incomings. ALL the players currently targetted to come in should not be seen as funded from a Kane transfer.

So for me, we only sell if most of these factors come in. Cant be 1 or 2

I don’t think anything will make Kane believe in yet another of Levy’s reset projects. He has had a birds eye view of what many of them
look like.

ralphs bald spot · Jun 28, 2023

Cuore da Leone said:
If he doesn’t want to stay and sign a new contract, it is best to sell him now. Stop wasting time.

Will be interesting to see whether Richarlison can fill the void - he definitely has got some potential!

it won't be interesting because he isn't good enough and the full of would be so stark - its certainly not in our interests to sell anytime soon the money is irrelevant you would have to spend it to replace him probably more and you have to give the new manager a chance with Kane and some astute signings you have a chance without him mid table beckons

ralphs bald spot · Jun 28, 2023

shoggy33 said:
People need to get their head around the fact he is going to be leaving either this summer or next. Does it not make sense to get a decent fee in so we can replace him properly? Put differently, if we were to offer £80m - £100m to loan a world class striker for a year would that be good value? It will be shit when he goes, but it is happening sooner or later, and when it does the rebuild will truly be underway as we will no longer be a team almost entirelyyou built around one or two players.

you can't replace him - the money is irrelevant whatever you get you will need to spend more on an inferior replacement so keep for two seasons let him go on a free then if he wants to - selling now is just the height of stupidity

chas vs dave · Jun 28, 2023

mawspurs said:
Come January Kane will be able to negotiate with other clubs for a move next Summer. Nothing we can do about that.
I still want him to stay for as long as possible in a Spurs shirt though.

Only with clubs abroad.

Not that it matters, players negotiate prior to fees being agreed.

wadewill · Jun 28, 2023

chas vs dave said:
Only with clubs abroad.

Not that it matters, players negotiate prior to fees being agreed.

Probably pretty likely he has already been sounded out

chas vs dave · Jun 28, 2023

wadewill said:
Probably pretty likely he has already been sounded out

Yep. I'm ok with him staying or going, I've made my peace with it.

If he is to go, then it needs to be done early, and not for a penny less than 100m

Ron Burgundy · Jun 28, 2023

ralphs bald spot said:
you can't replace him - the money is irrelevant whatever you get you will need to spend more on an inferior replacement so keep for two seasons let him go on a free then if he wants to - selling now is just the height of stupidity

I don't think that's totally fair. It's only one season as well after all

DOn't get me wrong, I can see why we'd keep him, but...I do think there's a counter argument

We could not get a player of nearly the same quality, let alone for (let's say) £80m. That much is clear.

But (for the sake of argument), if well selected, two good £40m players, who we would have for 3+ seasons, and who we might make money as well, as an option, has it's merits.

It relies on the correct selection of the players (so there's execution risk), but two £40m players, who could go on to be worth substantially more, and who we benefit from for multiple season would likely be better than Kane for one season, and then nothing.

I can see both arguments, and I think both have merits and risks. Imagine if Kane screws in ankle early in the season? It's not totally straight forward, and in the past, I think we've made a mistake by holding onto players too long - Rose, Eriksen, Alli etc.

Tough call

crokey · Jun 28, 2023

If you would take the money over one more season from Harry, it's time to stop watching football. You've forgotten why you started watching it in the first place.

KingNick · Jun 28, 2023

mawspurs said:
Come January Kane will be able to negotiate with other clubs for a move next Summer. Nothing we can do about that.
I still want him to stay for as long as possible in a Spurs shirt though.

*Foreign clubs

TommyGee · Jun 28, 2023

rossdapep said:
Said before we should keep him to try and comvince him we can still compete.

Comes down to a few factors for me now though.

1. Does Kane want to be here now? If he is genuinely angling for a move this summer then we may need to consider high others.

2. If the first part is true, does Ange want to try and keep him around or does he just want it sorting? This is really importante and Ange should get a huge say. Even if Levy is reluctant, Ange should be allowed to decide.

3. The fee. It has to be reasonable enough so that we can bring in at least 2 quality players. For example, say Kane goes for 70m and we decide Ferguson is the replacement...Brighton may turn around and ask for 50-60m leaving us with little else and a player who HAS to work immediately.

4. Available options. We dont need to necesarily spend it all now and we dont necesarily need like for like but there does need to be quality options identified. Maybe we have already done that and if so great. But we cant be wasting that by panicking and just signing players based on a few good months or getting ripped off. Targets need to have been properly analysed.

Lastly, it absolutely shouldnt effect our other incomings. ALL the players currently targetted to come in should not be seen as funded from a Kane transfer.

So for me, we only sell if most of these factors come in. Cant be 1 or 2

Sure those are the easy considerations, but the tricky part is the in between.

What if Ange does speak with him and Kane indicates he does intend to leave next season and wants out.

We've then resolved to moving him on, but there are realistically only 3-4 clubs that can afford him and that he would also be willing to accept.

Given he only has 12 months left and such a limited transfer pool, what's stopping those clubs low balling with £40-60M offers knowing their leverage and limited competition?

Then you need to decide, do you keep a potentially disgruntled Kane and delay Ange fulling putting his stamp on the new squad and forfeit the £40-60M; or do you suck it up and accept the reduced fee even if it does not sufficiently cover a potential replacement or how we would value Kane?

This absolutely does impact our other incomings and transfer plans. Sure we know that GK and CB are already required and Maddison looks locked in, but the outcome of Kane's future and any fee received obviously impacts our immediate requirements and budget distributions.

E17yid · Jun 28, 2023

It’s hard to give an opinion from the outside without knowing what’s what but you’ve got to ask yourself how likely is it that Kane stays with us next season? To pluck a guess out my arse I’d say it’s less than 10%. Then you have to ask yourself where would he go and to pluck another figure out my arse I’d say 90% likely he stays in England. That is a unacceptable scenario for me if we are offered good money for him to go abroad now.

it’s possible he stays if we have a great season (title push) but even then no guarantee and that is extremely unlike. Best case scenario for us next year is we scrape 4th and that won’t be enough, neither will a FA or League cup.

You have to take the emotion out of this kind of shit. The reality is he’s gone next year and more than likely to a rival, if we can prevent that now and get a decent wedge for it we’d be stupid lot to take it imo. Having said that if he has given us some indications behind the scenes that he could potentially sign a new deal if we get 4th next year then I’d be more than happy to roll the dice I just can’t see that being the case.

spursfan77 · Jun 28, 2023

I've said it since 2021, it makes utterly no sense from a financial perspective to leave before his contract is up. Why would you go now and miss out on what will be a family changing joining fee for generations in 2024?

He can name his price. Just look at what Haaland got joining Man City. Kane can probably ask for even more than that because there will be no transfer fee. Leaving now makes little sense for him. If he had a proper agent they would be telling them that. Even his family should realise what they are passing up by trying to get him to move now. That makes no sense to me.

shoggy33 · Jun 28, 2023

ralphs bald spot said:
you can't replace him - the money is irrelevant whatever you get you will need to spend more on an inferior replacement so keep for two seasons let him go on a free then if he wants to - selling now is just the height of stupidity

He has one year left on his contract not two, and in a years time we still won't be able to replace him and we'll be trying to do it with 100m less... regardless, don't try to replace the irreplaceable, you rebuild the team. We have been a one/two man team for too long. If we don't get a decent offer, or he wants to stay and sign a new contract then great, otherwise I would argue its the 'height of stupidity' to turn down a lot of money and hang onto him for one more year just so the fans don't get upset.

Locotoro · Jun 28, 2023

wadewill said:
The elephant in the room here and a point that I think a lot of people are missing is that next summer HE GOES

I don’t think anyone in their right mind would say sell him if he had just signed a new 5 year deal but he hasn’t.

It’s £80m for 1 season. Nobody is worth that

Do you folks not think that Levy would be accepting bids if he believed he could t get Kane to sign a new deal?

spursfan77 · Jun 28, 2023

We are going to have weeks of this but I think if he is on the plane to Australia in a few weeks time then he stays for the season. Postecoglou just doesnt seem to be the type who would take him and risk it disrupting that tour. The decision might be above his pay grade but, if asked about Kane, he is going to be pretty honest you would feel. They must have spoken to each other by now so will know the deal. Let's see how it plays out as not much more can be said at this point.

E17yid · Jun 28, 2023

crokey said:
If you would take the money over one more season from Harry, it's time to stop watching football. You've forgotten why you started watching it in the first place.

As a little boy in the 90s watching Spurs I can assure you this romantic notion that you have in your head about starting to watch football had no place in my thought process. In fact, from 6 years old in early 90s to present day I constantly asked myself why do I keep watching this shit.

KingNick · Jun 28, 2023

Locotoro said:
Do you folks not think that Levy would be accepting bids if he believed he could t get Kane to sign a new deal?

I certainly think he'd be dictating a price rather than simply reject offers.

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