Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

Timberwolf · Jun 12, 2023

neogenisis said:
If he has chased him for years, he HAS to have known what he was about. And when being spoken to about the job none of these guys went , *Yeah whatever Danny boy, give us the job then Ill moan about it later.*

Yeah fair enough - I'm sure Levy wasn't completely blind to the downsides of managers like Jose/Conte, but I think he basically ignored those doubts and brought them in anyway.

As for why Jose and Conte took the jobs - they were offered world-class salaries, the best strikers in the world, an amazing training ground/stadium, and, crucially, neither of them had any better offers at the time. I think they both felt they were better than Tottenham, but managers need work and it's hard to turn down 12-15m quid a year or whatever we paid them.

I actually still think Conte was the best person we could've got post-Nuno given how fucked we were and him getting us top 4 in 21-22 and forcing us to sign some good players makes his appointment a net-positive. The real issue was not acting sooner when it became abundantly clear he wasn't going to sign a contract, and spaffing shit-loads on wing-backs when he had 1 foot out of the door.

neogenisis · Jun 12, 2023

Look, I'm not defending him, I am really not. I would much rather he pissed off out of the club, but I'm a little tired of the same shit being thrown about day after day. It doesn't move anything forward and until he leaves we are struck with it all. If you keep grinding your axes here, you wont have an axe left for when he is on the block.....

neogenisis · Jun 12, 2023

Timberwolf said:
Yeah fair enough - I'm sure Levy wasn't completely blind to the downsides of someone like Jose/Conte, but I think he basically ignored those doubts and brought them in anyway.

As for why Jose and Conte took the jobs - they were offered world-class salaries, the best strikers in the world, an amazing training ground/stadium, and, crucially, neither of them had any better offers at the time. I think they both felt they were better than Tottenham, but managers need work and it's hard to turn down 12-15m quid a year or whatever we paid them.

Now that I can 100% get on board with.

mil1lion · Jun 12, 2023

spurs9 said:
Just out of interest, why do you think Spence would be a better fit than Porro at inverted FB?

I think Porro has a great cross on him so I want to see him play more on the outside. Spence is poor at crossing and I've never been that impressed with him out wide. I think he has the style to be similar to Doherty coming infield more.

McFlash · Jun 12, 2023

neogenisis said:
Look, I'm not defending him, I am really not. I would much rather he pissed off out of the club, but I'm a little tired of the same shit being thrown about day after day. It doesn't move anything forward and until he leaves we are struck with it all. If you keep grinding your axes here, you wont have an axe left for when he is on the block.....

I like this.

midoNdefoe · Jun 12, 2023

spurs9 said:
I also liked this bit. Ndombele might be his biggest challenge yet, but you never know.

"I’ve seen him instil work ethics into players I didn’t think they were even capable of."

If Tanguy started to work hard and get about on the pitch, he’d be one of the best players in the prem…

allatsea · Jun 12, 2023

midoNdefoe said:
If Tanguy started to work hard and get about on the pitch, he’d be one of the best players in the prem…

We will have a party when that happens but it won't. He is just a lazy fuker who need shifting permanently. If he is so wonderful why aren't Naples taking up their option or at least extending his loan ?

Russ1201 · Jun 12, 2023

midoNdefoe said:
If Tanguy started to work hard and get about on the pitch, he’d be one of the best players in the prem…

If your granny had balls........

jurgen11 · Jun 12, 2023

NDombele ...lol

Albertbarich · Jun 12, 2023

allatsea said:
We will have a party when that happens but it won't. He is just a lazy fuker who need shifting permanently. If he is so wonderful why aren't Naples taking up their option or at least extending his loan ?

I'm hoping the Saudis target him as their next purchase

allatsea · Jun 12, 2023

Albertbarich said:
I'm hoping the Saudis target him as their next purchase

If we pay the Saudi's perhaps they would take him - please !

mil1lion · Jun 12, 2023

Trix said:
No it means a lot. Problem is you can't use it in isolation. The problem wasn't hiring Jose or Conte, it was hiring them without understanding fully how they operate and what they'd require to be successful.

Jose and Conte should also take some blame too though. We can talk about knowing what the managers are like but also they should know how Levy operates. It's pretty remarkable they would agree to work for him and not be prepared for a tight budget. I think its just as important to have a manager who is willing to work with those restrictions. I don't think Ange is going to be chasing 60m+ players and if he does then he must expect a cheap alternative and play them.

YB123 · Jun 12, 2023

mil1lion said:
Jose and Conte should also take some blame too though. We can talk about knowing what the managers are like but also they should know how Levy operates. It's pretty remarkable they would agree to work for him and not be prepared for a tight budget. I think its just as important to have a manager who is willing to work with those restrictions. I don't think Ange is going to be chasing 60m+ players and if he does then he must expect a cheap alternative and play them.

of course they should, it accumulative. But the proportion of blame has to lie with Levy.

Mourinho and Conte have been successful everywhere they have been except Spurs. Its not rocket science to see why that is.

Tbf Conte failing is a bit harsh as he it was a small miracle we got top 4 but like Trix said if you employ them, you sully support them. Not do it half heartedly.

mil1lion · Jun 12, 2023

YB123 said:
of course they should, it accumulative. But the proportion of blame has to lie with Levy.

Mourinho and Conte have been successful everywhere they have been except Spurs. Its not rocket science to see why that is.

Tbf Conte failing is a bit harsh as he it was a small miracle we got top 4 but like Trix said if you employ them, you sully support them. Not do it half heartedly.

Indeed, but I'm just saying the manager also has to take some responsibility too. At the end of the day Levy is here and probably will for some time yet. So it's vital we have a manager who will fit with Levy more than trying to get Levy to change his ways. The fact is we have had success under Levy with Jol, Redknapp and Poch so it can be done.

Timberwolf · Jun 12, 2023

mil1lion said:
Indeed, but I'm just saying the manager also has to take some responsibility too. At the end of the day Levy is here and probably will for some time yet. So it's vital we have a manager who will fit with Levy more than trying to get Levy to change his ways. The fact is we have had success under Levy with Jol, Redknapp and Poch so it can be done.

Think Levy himself also needs to recognise this when appointing managers.

Trix · Jun 12, 2023

mil1lion said:
Jose and Conte should also take some blame too though. We can talk about knowing what the managers are like but also they should know how Levy operates. It's pretty remarkable they would agree to work for him and not be prepared for a tight budget. I think its just as important to have a manager who is willing to work with those restrictions. I don't think Ange is going to be chasing 60m+ players and if he does then he must expect a cheap alternative and play them.

Of course I haven't said otherwise, but lets look at Conte as an example. He desperately wanted a CB and was told we had £150mil to spend on transfers on top of the usual budget. The club even came out publicly and said we had drawn £150 mil in shares to spend on footballing matters. We only spent £100mil of that and didn't buy a CB. No matter how you look at it the club should be doing everything in it's power to get as much as they can for the manager. We had it in place and decided to just not spend it, when we've been crying out for a player to play there for many years.

Now Ange may well be more content with lesser known players to coach up but that doesn't mean the club shouldn't give him the maximum resources and backing it can give. If they want success, and want him to stay and build this needs to happen, and it hasn't in the past.

mil1lion · Jun 12, 2023

Trix said:
Of course I haven't said otherwise, but lets look at Conte as an example. He desperately wanted a CB and was told we had £150mil to spend on transfers on top of the usual budget. The club even came out publicly and said we had drawn £150 mil in shares to spend on footballing matters. We only spent £100mil of that and didn't buy a CB. No matter how you look at it the club should be doing everything in it's power to get as much as they can for the manager. We had it in place and decided to just not spend it, when we've been crying out for a player to play there for many years.

Now Ange may well be more content with lesser known players to coach up but that doesn't mean the club shouldn't give him the maximum resources and backing it can give. If they want success, and want him to stay and build this needs to happen, and it hasn't in the past.

No doubt about that. I don't really get the 150m thing. To me it seems like Levy saw us get 4th place and thought we don't need to spend all of it. This is where it would be great to just give that money to the dof and let him spend it. I get the sense that even if we had an investment and Levy got to spend 300m without breaking ffp he would still spend half at most. He just can't help himself.

I didn't have such an issue with not getting Skriniar or Bastoni though. The main issue was not having better alternatives than Rodon or Lenglet. Like why waste time dealing with Inter and end up with worse options at the end of the window. Can the dof not offer up a better alternative? I think if they find a cheaper alternative that's a deal Levy will sanction. This is why it's better to just have a manager who will be happy with those cheaper options.

Bing · Jun 12, 2023

midoNdefoe said:
If Tanguy started to work hard and get about on the pitch, he’d be one of the best players in the prem…

It just amazes me that you could have that level of talent and not be willing to put the effort in to be all that you could be. Seems like such a waste to me and I will never understand that mindset in a top level athlete, especially given how competitive it is, and what's required, to get to the prem in the first place.

It makes me question if it is more a physical limitation than mental. Could he benefit from a couple of months of intense physical prep, working on his aerobic fitness and athletiscm? I don't know the answer but it is such a shame, and incredibly frustrating, to see all the talent go to waste in a squad that is crying out for somebody with his technical capabiltiies.

Styopa · Jun 12, 2023

mil1lion said:
No doubt about that. I don't really get the 150m thing. To me it seems like Levy saw us get 4th place and thought we don't need to spend all of it. This is where it would be great to just give that money to the dof and let him spend it. I get the sense that even if we had an investment and Levy got to spend 300m without breaking ffp he would still spend half at most. He just can't help himself.

I didn't have such an issue with not getting Skriniar or Bastoni though. The main issue was not having better alternatives than Rodon or Lenglet. Like why waste time dealing with Inter and end up with worse options at the end of the window. Can the dof not offer up a better alternative? I think if they find a cheaper alternative that's a deal Levy will sanction. This is why it's better to just have a manager who will be happy with those cheaper options.

This is what I don't understand with the Conte/Levy situation. Where did Paratici fit in with all of this? Was Lenglet the best alternative he could find, assuming Levy would not stump up the cash for a CB of the calibre of Skriniar or Bastoni?

Yantino · Jun 12, 2023

Backing the manager with what they actually ask for has always been the issue.

Hoping with Ange on a 4 year deal we are going to stop the procrastination somewhat and actually get what is needed and release those not needed.

Let's see.

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