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Nayim60yards

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Looked through the Celtic thread from the forum posted earlier there were some interesting/amusing posts:

heisenberg88
5:47 PM - Today
Don't usually get any sort of info but have heard from a decent source that the deal to go to Spurs is definitely done.

Don Vito wrote: ↑
6:00 PM - Today
Ange will go and he will fail.

We will get a new manager, a better manager, maybe one that has tactics that doesn't leave us hung out to dry in European competitions.
When ange gets sacked he can come back up on a European night and watch us qualify out of the champions league group.

LarssonKOK7 6:25 PM - Today#29103
I know the guys personally who valet all the staff/players cars at Lennoxtown every Friday. They also valet Ange’s wife’s car at their home every now and again which they did at 4.30pm today. Called me about an hour ago as he was leaving the job to say as he thanked her for everything (he was purposely fishing) she said I’m not saying goodbye, I’ll see you next season!

Reading that back it sounds like utter shampoo and I’ll likely get slaughtered on here but it’s genuinely what happened. She might be at it and playing the game, who knows, we will just have to wait and see I suppose. FWIW I’ve always had an inkling that he’s staying.

Gartcosh shamrock
7:25 PM - Today
Heard he definitely away 100% eff him we move on


Dannybhoy95
8:04 PM - Today
Bryan67 wrote: ↑
7:52 PM - Today
Push them hard enough and some might even be willing to speak the six hardest words in the English language.

Come back Brendan, all is forgiven.
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I'd sooner staple my baws to the desk.
 
Flobadob

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Timberwolf said:
Yeah fair enough - I totally get that.

In isolation I agree about the mic'd up session. It's like getting excited about watching a player do keepie-uppies - kinda meaningless. I do however think that if you dive a bit deeper into his (tactical and personal) principles, achievements and see how he speaks and carries himself he's an impressive bloke and there's something about him to get excited about beyond "him what won the SPL".

I can also see the appeal of Enrique but my gut feeling about him is that, regardless of his pedigree and trophies, he's just not the guy for us right now. He plays nice stuff and is a more appealing character than Conte and Jose, but I'd put him in the same broad category of "manager likely to get fucked off at Levy after about 12 months once he realises he's never going to be able to achieve what he's achieved at previous clubs". I just can't see him lasting beyond 2 seasons tops and think we'd end up exactly where we are now, albeit with a more entertaining style of play.

I think we could use someone a bit more humble given where we are as a club right now - someone who will really "get" the DNA of Spurs rather than just seeing us as another job in a gilded career. And that's one area I think Ange is streets ahead of most of the other remaining candidates.
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My gut feeling is whoever comes in will fail if we don’t improve in key positions like CB and GK, so really whoever it is sort of needs to be the type to drill that home rather than chill on a sun lounger because they’ve never worked with players of ours level before. We need a middle ground in my opinion, I get that it’s been counter productive having stroppy bastards at the helm who start to poison the squad and fans and leave a bad vibe around the place but I also think we need someone that makes it abundantly clear what is required at the bare minimum for them to stand a chance of competing. If that’s a long term project and young players with high potential that’s fine but we need to continue recruiting in the fashion we have the last 2 years because I genuinely think this is a good squad generally that is let down massively in a few positions, being GK, CB and CM when Bentancur isn’t available. We can and will compete towards the higher end of the table if we get it sorted in my opinion and i hardly find it surprising that we’re failing due to deficiencies in those positions, they are so so important
 
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Flobadob said:
My gut feeling is whoever comes in will fail if we don’t improve in key positions like CB and GK, so really whoever it is sort of needs to be the type to drill that home rather than chill on a sun lounger because they’ve never worked with players of ours level before. We need a middle ground in my opinion, I get that it’s been counter productive having stroppy bastards at the helm who start to poison the squad and fans and leave a bad vibe around the place but I also think we need someone that makes it abundantly clear what is required at the bare minimum for them to stand a chance of competing. If that’s a long term project and young players with high potential that’s fine but we need to continue recruiting in the fashion we have the last 2 years because I genuinely think this is a good squad generally that is let down massively in a few positions, being GK, CB and CM when Bentancur isn’t available. We can and will compete towards the higher end of the table if we get it sorted in my opinion and i hardly find it surprising that we’re failing due to deficiencies in those positions, they are so so important
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Yeah absolute bare minimum this summer is a keeper, a CB and probably a CAM. Doesn't matter who we bring in, they're fairly fucked without that.
 
Chris Flynn

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My honest worry is that i cant think of any manager who has come from the SPL in the last 30 years who has been anything but mediocre at very best and often pretty disasterous. He may break the mould but that is my concern
 
JUSTINSIGNAL

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Chris Flynn said:
My honest worry is that i cant think of any manager who has come from the SPL in the last 30 years who has been anything but mediocre at very best and often pretty disasterous. He may break the mould but that is my concern
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Didn’t Brendan Rodger’s join Leicester from the SPL and win FA Cup?
 
soup

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Half empty would have you seeing the current story as 'long list of managers refuse to wreck their careers by joining pathetic Tottenham'.

Half full could have you thinking that were actively interested in managers in Arne and Ange who maybe have a few values beyond being 'elite' like integrity, or being more humble and therefore, unfortunately for us, could cause them to have a bit of a struggle with the idea of leaving a club they're already at. 🤷‍♂️

You might say 'Levy? nah!', and I'd usually agree, but he's seen first hand how different it is working with 'elite' (especially when he'll consider himself as such), and I think he'd be a lot more open to the option of a more personable, rounded individual around the place and the wonders it can do for management.

Grasping at straws, but you've got nothing if not hope.
 
robotsonic

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Jody said:
Training? Telling top level pros to pass the ball quickly and cross it in from the wide areas?

Give me Enrique and his ladder.
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...I'm not sure what you think goes on in a training session, but it's not all Plato level stuff.

If you want to look at a couple of minute video of a bloke and make an assumption as to his value then have at it, but it's probably about as useful as looking at the 50 videos of rondos all over Twitter and trying to ascertain how Antonio Conte was coaching us.
 
Nerine

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I’m interested. Why does manager A who wins league X have less credentials than manager B that wins league Y?

League X isn’t as strong as league Y

Manager A has a lesser team than B

Why is manager A’s achievement seen as lesser when they’re playing the same sport?

I guess the overall quality of the league comes into it too, I suppose.

I dunno. Let’s say League X is Championship. League Y is PL.

Why wouldn’t a manger that wins the championship be able to win the PL?

Say that the Championship team is a “good” one and the manager takes over a “good” PL team.

What else does the manager need to consider? What makes his job different in terms of knowledge of the game and tactics etc?
Is it simply because he’s up against better managers that may be more tactically astute?

Probably not making a good job of fleshing out my point here but perhaps it will be understood.


Why would Ange (for example) not be able to make a good fist of it at Spurs? Would his tactics etc all of a sudden not work?
Yes, the PL is a far better league than the SPL, but he’ll also have better players at his disposal to play his system.

Perhaps that kind of explains my point better?

Fuck knows.

Like, surely it’s his knowledge of the game that’s probably the most important thing?

Like, I could easily go work for a bigger, better company doing basically the same job but in a higher pressure environment and be paid more money to do it. I’d not fail because I’m good at the job.
 
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ajspurs

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Nerine said:
I’m interested. Why does manager A who wins league X have less credentials than manager B that wins league Y?

League X isn’t as strong as league Y

Manager A has a lesser team than B

Why is manager A’s achievement seen as lesser when they’re playing the same sport?

I guess the overall quality of the league comes into it too, I suppose.

I dunno. Let’s say League X is Championship. League Y is PL.

Why wouldn’t a manger that wins the championship be able to win the PL?

Say that the Championship team is a “good” one and the manager takes over a “good” PL team.

What else does the manager need to consider? What makes his job different in terms of knowledge of the game and tactics etc?
Is it simply because he’s up against better managers that may be more tactically astute?

Probably not making a good job of fleshing out my point here but perhaps it will be understood.


Why would Ange (for example) not be able to make a good fist of it at Spurs? Would his tactics etc all of a sudden not work?
Yes, the PL is a far better league than the SPL, but he’ll also have better players at his disposal to play his system.

Perhaps that kind of explains my point better?

Fuck knows.

Like, surely it’s his knowledge of the game that’s probably the most important thing?

Like, I could easily go work for a bigger, better company doing basically the same job but in a higher pressure environment and be paid more money to do it. I’d not fail because I’m good at the job.
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I guess there are different examples you can use in your analogy though. It's like saying if a player in league one can score plenty there, why can't he score plenty in the Premier League too, where he'll have better players around him. You can even look at Nathan Jones going from Luton to Southampton as a recent example of methods not always being able to be translated to a higher league/team.

I get what you're saying though, and it's not black and white. There's of course a chance he can effectively apply his tactics here, but I think the risk is always bigger when those methods haven't been used at a particular level, and there is a difference between the football being played throughout different divisions and leagues. It's a gamble, like every appointment is, but I think it's the size of the gamble that has people uneasy.
 
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JUSTINSIGNAL said:
It was hardly disastrous. Most on here were begging for him to takeover the season we appointed Nuno.

The club overstretched their finances, were hit badly during Covid and couldn’t refresh the team. Overall the relegation. Isn’t totally his fault.
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Most on here? Begging? Less than one in five if that

You don’t half talk sh@t
 
Aleks

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Nerine said:
I’m interested. Why does manager A who wins league X have less credentials than manager B that wins league Y?

League X isn’t as strong as league Y

Manager A has a lesser team than B

Why is manager A’s achievement seen as lesser when they’re playing the same sport?

I guess the overall quality of the league comes into it too, I suppose.

I dunno. Let’s say League X is Championship. League Y is PL.

Why wouldn’t a manger that wins the championship be able to win the PL?

Say that the Championship team is a “good” one and the manager takes over a “good” PL team.

What else does the manager need to consider? What makes his job different in terms of knowledge of the game and tactics etc?
Is it simply because he’s up against better managers that may be more tactically astute?

Probably not making a good job of fleshing out my point here but perhaps it will be understood.


Why would Ange (for example) not be able to make a good fist of it at Spurs? Would his tactics etc all of a sudden not work?
Yes, the PL is a far better league than the SPL, but he’ll also have better players at his disposal to play his system.

Perhaps that kind of explains my point better?

Fuck knows.

Like, surely it’s his knowledge of the game that’s probably the most important thing?

Like, I could easily go work for a bigger, better company doing basically the same job but in a higher pressure environment and be paid more money to do it. I’d not fail because I’m good at the job.
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I think the majority of it comes from dealing with better players. Many of them could have bigger egos, different standards etc.

Like it might be more difficult to tell if someone is performing to their absolute best capabilities or taking it easier when the best you've seen is at a lower level.

At least that's my 2 cents
 
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Flicking through these pages I've yet to see any significant mention of Australia winning the Asia Cup against South Korea in 2015. Postecoglou's side lost to SK in the group stage 1-0, but bounced back to beat them in the final 2-1. Sonny scored SK's goal. Along the way the Aussies deposed of several sides including China 1-0 in the Q/F and UAE 2-0 in the semi final. It was a significant win in a tournament that continues to grow in stature.

If we appoint Postecoglou we will be running a risk, especially if he bombs in the early part of the season. We might be prepared to give Enrique or Potter more time, but our failure to win over JN or Slot will place extra pressure on a manager who appears to be a few rungs down the ladder in terms of quality. Having said that I can vouch for the fact that A'nge will not take a backward step, and the players will know precisely what's required of them. It could be a masterstroke or a clusterfuck.

But anyone can fail, just as the last few incumbents did.
 
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