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Wearegoingtowintheleague

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I was joking with my point but to answer you.

1. Big Ange isn’t a ‘cheap gamble’ he’s a very good coach and ticks a lot of boxes

2. JN might have turned us down for all we know.

3. Not getting Poch back was probably the right decision, we need a fresh start

4. Slot said he wants to stay at Feyernoord because his family are happy there, he is happy there and they’re in the CL a competition he’s not played or Managed in

Look I’m as much of a Levy basher as anyone on here as I’ve seen all of his flaws for absolutely years but I just don’t get how people can just make stuff up without actually knowing the facts. How do you know that Naglesmann or Slot wanted to join us?

I genuinely think Big Ange would be a fantastic fit and is exactly what we need, if we end up with someone worse than him then sure I’ll be disappointed but these fans such as yourself and the Twitter warriors who just expect us to be able to snap up Naglesmann and Slot need to realise we aren’t a huge club and we aren’t hugely attractive right now so let’s get someone in who wants the job and wants to help rebuild us.
1: Big Ange is not imho in the same league as Poch, Slot or JN. He is more of a gamble than any of them. I was actually talking about those worse than him that you were alluding to if we didn't get him, were the cheap gamble
2. We sent out a statement saying we didn't talk to JN.
3. Can't agree, he is more proven than those we are now linked with. Would have understood if we had someone like JN lined up instead, but not Ange. Makes no sense to me,
4. Slot was very open to move, he was pushing for it, from what ITK said, we bulked at the cost to get him out of his contract

We are a huge club, we have one of the best grounds and training grounds in the world. Unless of course Levy was lying about us being able to compete once we've got the new stadium? If we are not classed a huge club, ask yourself why we have or had last season the most expensive season tickets in England?
 

Wearegoingtowintheleague

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Yep, we should hire them based off relegation from La Liga and a mid table PL finish.

People kick and scream about direction and having a cohesive plan like Brighton, rather than just spunking money at the biggest name available.

we then do that, and people cry that the name isn’t big enough
But it's not direction we are seeing. It's the opposite,

You only need to read the ITK that the board can't even agree on a manager.

You only need to look at Levy talking about our DNA and then employing managers who are the opposite of that.

We don't have a plan, our strategy is going through a list of names, until we find someone who is A) Either free or has a cheap release clause B) Will agree to work under the latest DOF or whatever the new favoured approach is C) Will be happy not to get in their own targets but work with whatever so called bargain player Levy finds, regardless of whether they suit the style of play we play.
 

curlacious

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After watching that video 200 times, i've changed my mind.

He's clearly the man for us.
the-young-ones-have-we-got-a-video.gif
 

glospur

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At least the songs already sorted so that's one less thing for us to worry about

Angelos Postecoglou, he's magic you nuuuuu
 

LeBonge79

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Interestingly… Ange is rumoured to have been Brighton’s first choice to replace Potter but didn’t want to leave Celtic mid-season. So they ‘settled’ for RDZ. That certainly fills me with more confidence about the appointment.
 

sidford

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He is an impressive spokesman for a club. The bar is so low after Conte but reading these quotes & how well and respectfully he talks about Celtic is bloody refreshing and yes that really is something I admire after Conte and also how Jose behaved at times (albeit he was nothing like Conte)
 

Rusta81

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My concern is about players of a certain calibre like Raya currently (when Brentford signed him he wasn’t at this level) who will be attracting interest from clubs of at least our stature with far more proven managers. When you add a little more context, my point becomes pretty clear. We won’t be competing for those players with Ange as manager
If you offer to pay them more money than the other clubs they are more likely to come regardless of manager . Money talks ……
I hope.
We haven’t won anything in 15 years and still attracted decent players .
Redknapp built a decent squad including VDV and he had only managed bottom end Prem teams

.
 

knowlespurs

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Interestingly… Ange is rumoured to have been Brighton’s first choice to replace Potter but didn’t want to leave Celtic mid-season. So they ‘settled’ for RDZ. That certainly fills me with more confidence about the appointment.
Thanks for that , was totally unaware of that
 

Ghost Hardware

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Interestingly… Ange is rumoured to have been Brighton’s first choice to replace Potter but didn’t want to leave Celtic mid-season. So they ‘settled’ for RDZ. That certainly fills me with more confidence about the appointment.
I’ve read reports of the exact same thing regarding them and Gallardo.
 

Metalhead

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1: Big Ange is not imho in the same league as Poch, Slot or JN. He is more of a gamble than any of them. I was actually talking about those worse than him that you were alluding to if we didn't get him, were the cheap gamble
2. We sent out a statement saying we didn't talk to JN.
3. Can't agree, he is more proven than those we are now linked with. Would have understood if we had someone like JN lined up instead, but not Ange. Makes no sense to me,
4. Slot was very open to move, he was pushing for it, from what ITK said, we bulked at the cost to get him out of his contract

We are a huge club, we have one of the best grounds and training grounds in the world. Unless of course Levy was lying about us being able to compete once we've got the new stadium? If we are not classed a huge club, ask yourself why we have or had last season the most expensive season tickets in England?
We have aspirations to be a huge club. We have the stadium and the facilities and bloody expensive season tickets. Commercially we are an elite club but when it comes to the footballing side - no.
 

spursfan77

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But it's not direction we are seeing. It's the opposite,

You only need to read the ITK that the board can't even agree on a manager.

You only need to look at Levy talking about our DNA and then employing managers who are the opposite of that.

We don't have a plan, our strategy is going through a list of names, until we find someone who is A) Either free or has a cheap release clause B) Will agree to work under the latest DOF or whatever the new favoured approach is C) Will be happy not to get in their own targets but work with whatever so called bargain player Levy finds, regardless of whether they suit the style of play we play.

d) is mates with a new senior appointments and has an agent well known to the club from an agency we do a lot of work with. That we are panicking and now don’t know where we are turning so relying on agents again to advise us.

Or are we being too cynical?
 

sidford

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It only takes a brief look at Tottenham’s recent managerial appointments to get a sense of what an abrupt change of policy it would be if they complete the appointment of Ange Postecoglou as their new head coach next week.

Tottenham’s last permanent managerial hire was Antonio Conte in November 2021. He arrived with an almost perfect CV: five league titles across three different clubs, each time inheriting a team who had lost their way and turning them into an unstoppable winning machine. He made his name in Serie A but had also triumphed in England. He was the last manager not called Pep Guardiola or Jurgen Klopp to win the Premier League (doing so with Chelsea in 2016-17), something he was not shy about telling the world.

Rewind back another two years and Tottenham appointed Jose Mourinho in November 2019. He too arrived with an almost perfect CV: eight league titles across four different clubs, to say nothing of one UEFA Cup, one Europa League, a stack of domestic cups and, best of all, two Champions Leagues, won with Porto and Inter, neither of them fancied at the start of the season. He had won the domestic title in four different countries but nowhere more than in England, where his three titles with Chelsea across two different spells made him their most successful manager, something he was not shy about telling the world.

(Yes, in between Mourinho and Conte Tottenham did also hire Nuno Espirito Santo, in June 2021, but only after trying and failing to appoint a long list of other more successful candidates, including Conte himself. Nuno lasted 10 league games in charge.)

But the pattern was clear. Tottenham have been shopping at the very top of the market for the most decorated, famous and best-paid managers out there. And it has been a huge waste of time, money and energy.

If Tottenham appoint Postecoglou next week — he is currently in pole position for the job — it would mark a notable change in direction. Postecoglou has a very good CV. He has won the Australian title with two different clubs, the J-League and two Scottish Premierships with Celtic. He could hardly have achieved more with the clubs who have employed him. But he has never worked in England, or in any of the ‘top five’ leagues of Europe. Mourinho and Conte each arrived at Tottenham after more than a decade at the top of the European game. Postecoglou, at the age of 57, is still working his way up.

But then Tottenham changing direction like this is precisely what the fans have been calling out for. The experience of employing big-name managers has not been a happy one. Both Mourinho and Conte gave the impression that they were taking a step down to manage Spurs, and that lowly Tottenham Hotspur should be grateful to be graced by their presence. It has led to tensions with club staff, players and fans. We can say now with certainty that it is not a recipe for a harmonious football club. No one wants a repeat of the last four years.


That is why Tottenham have been clear in their desire to go in a different direction this summer. The buzzwords have been ‘culture’ and ‘ethos’. There is a feeling at the club — perhaps overdue — that they had something special back in the Mauricio Pochettino days, when everyone pulled in the same direction, towards the same shared goals. That is what they want to get back to, a sense of ‘alignment’ throughout the football club. And they know that this has to flow from the manager himself. He has to be someone who can command buy-in from the players and, crucially, from the fans too. He has to be able to be the articulate, authoritative, persuasive voice of the whole institution.


And on this point, Postecoglou stands out as the best of all of the candidates by far. His Celtic team have played fantastic football, not just winning but winning with a sense of style and adventure. But what sets him apart — even more than that — is the way that he has taken on the role as the public face of the club. Celtic is a very high-pressure job, with a huge fanbase, and demands that can not be met by winning alone. When he took over in 2021 there were questions from fans whether he was a big enough figure to take on the job. But no one would say that now.


At Celtic, Postecoglou has shown a remarkable way with words. Everyone remembers his famous line in February 2022 after Celtic had beaten Rangers 3-0. “I said to the players that we had 60,000 in tonight and I’m sure a lot of them walked in with some problems in their life. For this 95 minutes we made them forget that and feel good and that’s something special.”

A few days later, Postecoglou was asked to expand on his words in his next pre-match press conference at Lennoxtown. “’I’m not just manager of a football club,” he explained. “I’m manager of everything that the football club embodies. It was important for me that the people who are truly invested in this club, and that’s the supporters, believed in me as a person more than anything else. When people believe in you as a person, you’re more likely to get an understanding of what you’re trying to achieve.”

That answer sums up so much of Postecoglou’s appeal. The point is not just that he is good with words, articulate and clever, which in part is why he has impressed so much in interviews. It is that he understands the political power of words. He knows that no manager will get anywhere without buy-in from the players and the fans. And he knows that to get that you have to convince them that you are on their side and want to take the team in the right direction.


Tottenham have not had a manager with any interest in this side of the job since Pochettino. None out of Mourinho, Conte or Nuno made much of an effort to engage with the fans or to speak their language. If Postecoglou arrives at Spurs and hits the same notes as he did in his first season at Celtic, that precious sense of alignment could start to creep back.

None of this would work if the football does not click, but Postecoglou’s record on that front stands up too. He has won everywhere he has been, and his Celtic side are one game away from winning the Scottish domestic treble this season. They have done so playing an entertaining 4-3-3 system, always focused on expansive, attacking football, dominating the opposition and creating chances. (The fact that Brighton were interested in Postecoglou in September, when they were looking for a replacement for Graham Potter, points to how highly his own brand of possession football is rated inside the game.)



It is two years now since Daniel Levy promised that the next Tottenham head coach (after the sacking of Mourinho) would be in line with the club’s ‘DNA’. He talked about “free-flowing, attacking and entertaining” football, as well as promoting young players. Obviously that promise was not followed through at the time, as Spurs appointed Nuno and then Conte five months later. But if Postecoglou gets the job next week then Spurs will finally have a manager who is at least committed to playing the game in the way that the fans want to see. After almost four years of negative football since Spurs opened their new stadium, it could prove to be a breath of fresh air.

Of course, there is no guarantee at this point that Postecoglou will get the job, or even that he will succeed if he does. We all know what a hard job Tottenham is right now, with the new manager having to lift the confidence of the players, re-energise the fans, transition away from the old generation while bringing youngsters through, and trying to get Spurs back into Europe. Given the state Tottenham find themselves in right now, any appointment would be a risk — and we know from the examples of Mourinho and Conte that even serial winners are no guarantee of anything.


But if we look back at Tottenham during Levy’s tenure, we can see that sometimes the unlikeliest managers are the most successful. The managers who arrived with the highest profile, and who Levy pursued for the most time, have often been failures. Not just Mourinho and Conte but Juande Ramos, Andre Villas-Boas, arguably even Jacques Santini. None of them lived up to their big reputations at Spurs.

Far more successful were Martin Jol, promoted from being Sanitini’s assistant. Harry Redknapp, recruited in a panic after Ramos’ disastrous start to the 2008-09 season. And even Pochettino, the greatest manager of the Levy era, appointed in 2014 after Louis van Gaal went to Manchester United instead. Those three each appeared to understand Tottenham Hotspur, the fans and the dynamics, better than their more-heralded predecessors. Optimistic Spurs fans will wonder whether Postecoglou, if he gets the job next week, might try to follow in their footsteps.
 

spursfan77

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It only takes a brief look at Tottenham’s recent managerial appointments to get a sense of what an abrupt change of policy it would be if they complete the appointment of Ange Postecoglou as their new head coach next week.

Tottenham’s last permanent managerial hire was Antonio Conte in November 2021. He arrived with an almost perfect CV: five league titles across three different clubs, each time inheriting a team who had lost their way and turning them into an unstoppable winning machine. He made his name in Serie A but had also triumphed in England. He was the last manager not called Pep Guardiola or Jurgen Klopp to win the Premier League (doing so with Chelsea in 2016-17), something he was not shy about telling the world.

Rewind back another two years and Tottenham appointed Jose Mourinho in November 2019. He too arrived with an almost perfect CV: eight league titles across four different clubs, to say nothing of one UEFA Cup, one Europa League, a stack of domestic cups and, best of all, two Champions Leagues, won with Porto and Inter, neither of them fancied at the start of the season. He had won the domestic title in four different countries but nowhere more than in England, where his three titles with Chelsea across two different spells made him their most successful manager, something he was not shy about telling the world.

(Yes, in between Mourinho and Conte Tottenham did also hire Nuno Espirito Santo, in June 2021, but only after trying and failing to appoint a long list of other more successful candidates, including Conte himself. Nuno lasted 10 league games in charge.)

But the pattern was clear. Tottenham have been shopping at the very top of the market for the most decorated, famous and best-paid managers out there. And it has been a huge waste of time, money and energy.

If Tottenham appoint Postecoglou next week — he is currently in pole position for the job — it would mark a notable change in direction. Postecoglou has a very good CV. He has won the Australian title with two different clubs, the J-League and two Scottish Premierships with Celtic. He could hardly have achieved more with the clubs who have employed him. But he has never worked in England, or in any of the ‘top five’ leagues of Europe. Mourinho and Conte each arrived at Tottenham after more than a decade at the top of the European game. Postecoglou, at the age of 57, is still working his way up.

But then Tottenham changing direction like this is precisely what the fans have been calling out for. The experience of employing big-name managers has not been a happy one. Both Mourinho and Conte gave the impression that they were taking a step down to manage Spurs, and that lowly Tottenham Hotspur should be grateful to be graced by their presence. It has led to tensions with club staff, players and fans. We can say now with certainty that it is not a recipe for a harmonious football club. No one wants a repeat of the last four years.


That is why Tottenham have been clear in their desire to go in a different direction this summer. The buzzwords have been ‘culture’ and ‘ethos’. There is a feeling at the club — perhaps overdue — that they had something special back in the Mauricio Pochettino days, when everyone pulled in the same direction, towards the same shared goals. That is what they want to get back to, a sense of ‘alignment’ throughout the football club. And they know that this has to flow from the manager himself. He has to be someone who can command buy-in from the players and, crucially, from the fans too. He has to be able to be the articulate, authoritative, persuasive voice of the whole institution.


And on this point, Postecoglou stands out as the best of all of the candidates by far. His Celtic team have played fantastic football, not just winning but winning with a sense of style and adventure. But what sets him apart — even more than that — is the way that he has taken on the role as the public face of the club. Celtic is a very high-pressure job, with a huge fanbase, and demands that can not be met by winning alone. When he took over in 2021 there were questions from fans whether he was a big enough figure to take on the job. But no one would say that now.


At Celtic, Postecoglou has shown a remarkable way with words. Everyone remembers his famous line in February 2022 after Celtic had beaten Rangers 3-0. “I said to the players that we had 60,000 in tonight and I’m sure a lot of them walked in with some problems in their life. For this 95 minutes we made them forget that and feel good and that’s something special.”

A few days later, Postecoglou was asked to expand on his words in his next pre-match press conference at Lennoxtown. “’I’m not just manager of a football club,” he explained. “I’m manager of everything that the football club embodies. It was important for me that the people who are truly invested in this club, and that’s the supporters, believed in me as a person more than anything else. When people believe in you as a person, you’re more likely to get an understanding of what you’re trying to achieve.”

That answer sums up so much of Postecoglou’s appeal. The point is not just that he is good with words, articulate and clever, which in part is why he has impressed so much in interviews. It is that he understands the political power of words. He knows that no manager will get anywhere without buy-in from the players and the fans. And he knows that to get that you have to convince them that you are on their side and want to take the team in the right direction.


Tottenham have not had a manager with any interest in this side of the job since Pochettino. None out of Mourinho, Conte or Nuno made much of an effort to engage with the fans or to speak their language. If Postecoglou arrives at Spurs and hits the same notes as he did in his first season at Celtic, that precious sense of alignment could start to creep back.

None of this would work if the football does not click, but Postecoglou’s record on that front stands up too. He has won everywhere he has been, and his Celtic side are one game away from winning the Scottish domestic treble this season. They have done so playing an entertaining 4-3-3 system, always focused on expansive, attacking football, dominating the opposition and creating chances. (The fact that Brighton were interested in Postecoglou in September, when they were looking for a replacement for Graham Potter, points to how highly his own brand of possession football is rated inside the game.)



It is two years now since Daniel Levy promised that the next Tottenham head coach (after the sacking of Mourinho) would be in line with the club’s ‘DNA’. He talked about “free-flowing, attacking and entertaining” football, as well as promoting young players. Obviously that promise was not followed through at the time, as Spurs appointed Nuno and then Conte five months later. But if Postecoglou gets the job next week then Spurs will finally have a manager who is at least committed to playing the game in the way that the fans want to see. After almost four years of negative football since Spurs opened their new stadium, it could prove to be a breath of fresh air.

Of course, there is no guarantee at this point that Postecoglou will get the job, or even that he will succeed if he does. We all know what a hard job Tottenham is right now, with the new manager having to lift the confidence of the players, re-energise the fans, transition away from the old generation while bringing youngsters through, and trying to get Spurs back into Europe. Given the state Tottenham find themselves in right now, any appointment would be a risk — and we know from the examples of Mourinho and Conte that even serial winners are no guarantee of anything.


But if we look back at Tottenham during Levy’s tenure, we can see that sometimes the unlikeliest managers are the most successful. The managers who arrived with the highest profile, and who Levy pursued for the most time, have often been failures. Not just Mourinho and Conte but Juande Ramos, Andre Villas-Boas, arguably even Jacques Santini. None of them lived up to their big reputations at Spurs.

Far more successful were Martin Jol, promoted from being Sanitini’s assistant. Harry Redknapp, recruited in a panic after Ramos’ disastrous start to the 2008-09 season. And even Pochettino, the greatest manager of the Levy era, appointed in 2014 after Louis van Gaal went to Manchester United instead. Those three each appeared to understand Tottenham Hotspur, the fans and the dynamics, better than their more-heralded predecessors. Optimistic Spurs fans will wonder whether Postecoglou, if he gets the job next week, might try to follow in their footsteps.

There’s two immediate issues for him. 1. If he comes I think his first press conference and club interviews have to be very good and inspire a lot of people to get them onside. He’s got to win over the players, players we want to sign and the majority of the fanbase.

2. On top of that he’s got to manage upwards with a board who is known to like to meddle in things.

It will be intriguing if he comes and will need to be given a chance. I said the same with Nuno and tried to put a brave face on this like I will do now with this. But I fear he’s going to be fighting a losing battle. If I were him I’d be putting as much into winning those first few home games and not worrying about the away ones. He’ll be walking into such a toxic environment I dread to think what will happen if we lose those games. Good luck to the bloke, he’s going to need it.
 

RuskyM

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How good is it gonna be to have a manager who actually encourages us rather than denigrates us?

Who wants to entertain us rather than endure what’s meant to be our leisure time?

Who works with the players and the fans rather than puts himself in direct opposition to them?

Had it up to here with "serial winners" who play awful football to win and then don't. Of being told to trust managers despite their failings because they won things with our rivals and maybe they'll be kind enough to bestow upon us some of their angel dust. I am sick of taking my medicine (read: appointing "winners" to play bad football) because it's what we need when there's no evidence it's actually helping.

You know what might help? Some positivity. God knows it's been a while. And if it doesn't work, well, the current way wasn't working either, was it?

What I'm saying is my manager comes from a land down under, where beer does flow and men chunder.
 
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