Tonio
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Definitely? Or possibly?
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robotsonic
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Same with De Zerbi
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mil1lion
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Sorry but this prejudice excuse is such bullshit. Fans on social media may be but there is plenty of examples of managers all around the world getting opportunities in the top European leagues. I think people sre getting a bit too defensive just for doubting Ange at this point.
I'm not saying he doesn't stand a chance. He could do well and I get the sense he could be the next Redknapp. Not sure why saying there's a concern is so controversial? I mean it's just a concern because it's taken so long without managing at the top level.
Because Mourinho and Conte worked out so well...
What had Enrique been doing for the past 7 years? All he has done is underachieve with Spain.
I would've liked Pochettino to come back, but that ship has sailed.
JUSTINSIGNAL
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I don't disagree that every club has always had some level of data led recruitment. It is just how far you take it. We've definitely been doing it to an extent since Daniel Commoli was our DOF.
My point is we need a manager who is the right fit for us, will work within our model, rather than employing someone who is going to try and burn the house down if they don't get what they want. If that is Ange, then so be it. The reason Poch worked is because he understood the parameters of the club.
Employing managers like Conte who kick off the moment they don't get what they want doesn't help the general forward momentum of the club. It's better everyone understands the assignment from the outset so we can move forward together.
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Optimists will try to cling to anything to say that this is a good choice, but no one can say looking back to when Conte was fired, that this choice would be a home run. There weren't many openings in the market, Chelsea got a manager we didn't want, and yet the board didn't know/want to use their position as the tenth richest club in the world once again.
I want and accept the policy of investing in youth and attacking play, and we may not be an elite club, but we are certainly not the same as 2014 or before in terms of revenue. Does it have a chance to work out? Sure, but it's the same logic I have to accept if we lose Kane and bring in some guy from a weak league who scored 30 goals in it and say we used the resource we had well.
I may be being ignorant as someone who doesn't follow the Scottish league, as many don't even look at the South American market (where i live) and would hate a Gallardo, but I would say that Gallardo faced a better level of players, with a team with less revenue than the Brazilian rivals and played the best football in the continent probably for three years, maybe with the exception of Jorge Jesus' Flamengo.
My indignation is this, even looking at alternative markets, Ainge seems worse to me than Slot and Gallardo. And I repeat, it is sad a club with our finances fails to attract its main target from markets so much poorer than the PL.
I want and accept the policy of investing in youth and attacking play, and we may not be an elite club, but we are certainly not the same as 2014 or before in terms of revenue. Does it have a chance to work out? Sure, but it's the same logic I have to accept if we lose Kane and bring in some guy from a weak league who scored 30 goals in it and say we used the resource we had well.
I may be being ignorant as someone who doesn't follow the Scottish league, as many don't even look at the South American market (where i live) and would hate a Gallardo, but I would say that Gallardo faced a better level of players, with a team with less revenue than the Brazilian rivals and played the best football in the continent probably for three years, maybe with the exception of Jorge Jesus' Flamengo.
My indignation is this, even looking at alternative markets, Ainge seems worse to me than Slot and Gallardo. And I repeat, it is sad a club with our finances fails to attract its main target from markets so much poorer than the PL.
danielneeds
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Is there another logical reason why it is this way?
Zeb
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Viduka was already an Aus international before Dynamo picked him up.
Cahill moved to the UK before getting in with Millwall - he wasn't scouted there.
ralphs bald spot
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sorry the management part is way of he is the only Australian manager working in Europe - football tends to be quite parochial and stick to what it knows - he was recomended to Celtic by Guardiola
Definitely a whiff of stooge or duplicate profile in the air this morning!
snakehipsspurs
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Ange doesn’t just play ‘good football’, his tactics are right at the cutting edge. Building on Pep’s ideas with his own tweaks to overcome the limitations of the players he has available to him.
He’s versatile, has played a number of formations successfully and everywhere he’s been (no matter what you may think of the leagues) he’s taken middle of the road teams to trophy winners.
This isn’t a “go out and run about a bit” manager, he is everything from a footballing style perspective we’ve been calling out for as a fanbase for 4 years.
I’m sick of hiring on reputation and past success, I want someone hungry to succeed with us. I want someone who sees this as their big chance and will give everything. We should be taking a risk - trying to be a budget Chelsea or City has got us nowhere. Let’s try something new. To Dare Is to Do ffs!!
He’s versatile, has played a number of formations successfully and everywhere he’s been (no matter what you may think of the leagues) he’s taken middle of the road teams to trophy winners.
This isn’t a “go out and run about a bit” manager, he is everything from a footballing style perspective we’ve been calling out for as a fanbase for 4 years.
I’m sick of hiring on reputation and past success, I want someone hungry to succeed with us. I want someone who sees this as their big chance and will give everything. We should be taking a risk - trying to be a budget Chelsea or City has got us nowhere. Let’s try something new. To Dare Is to Do ffs!!
Nick-TopSpursMan
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Honestly I don't think people realise how difficult it is for someone like Ange to have built up his career and made his way to Europe like this, having never played over here.
mil1lion
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That's a real shame but there's also the possibility they simply aren't good enough because it's difficult to develop in these other countries. Maybe they need a better network for young coaches to develop abroad and provide better channels to the bigger leagues. I'm just raising concerns about his lack of top experience coming to a difficult job. If we get him though I really hope he smashes it here and proves an example for others from his type of background.
thebenjamin
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Yeah I agree with that. The question then for me would then be, given that during Julian Nagelsmann's time and Hoffneheim and RBL he worked in the exact way you're describing, and is quite clearly by some distance the outstanding candidate for the job, even to the extent that we have tried to appoint him twice before... why are we actively distancing ourselves from him? Is it only that Levy doesn't want to pay compensation and wants it done cheap, or is there something else? ie ambition meets fear.
Joshua
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He wouldn’t have been my first choice at the start but with the current playing field that’s left (much due to our own doing) I think we could do much worse.
Not that arsed about his age or career history. We mock coaches like Lampard and Gerrard for having things handed to them because of their playing careers, so we shouldn’t deride someone for actually working their way up organically. For a comparison look at someone like Maurizio Sarri who grafted for years and eventually got the big gig at Napoli in his late 50’s. He went on to become a hero there before getting a European trophy and a Serie A title under his belt at other top jobs following his success there. I wouldn’t be holding someone actually spending their career working towards the top against them.
Not that arsed about his age or career history. We mock coaches like Lampard and Gerrard for having things handed to them because of their playing careers, so we shouldn’t deride someone for actually working their way up organically. For a comparison look at someone like Maurizio Sarri who grafted for years and eventually got the big gig at Napoli in his late 50’s. He went on to become a hero there before getting a European trophy and a Serie A title under his belt at other top jobs following his success there. I wouldn’t be holding someone actually spending their career working towards the top against them.
Tonio
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You ought to ask yourself that very question. If unconscious bias is your only answer then I’d suggest you haven’t given it much thought. I’d say in answer to your question, there most probably is but it might not suit your agenda.
danielneeds
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I’m not saying that he isn’t a risk either, i’m just arguing against the idea that him taking time to work his way out of Australia should be held against him. To me, getting a shot in Europe and possibly the PL is impressive and a testament to hard work and evolving as a coach.
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