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danielneeds

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ntmac82 said:
You seem to care.

The coaching history doesn't need to be comparable but what Ferguson achieved outweighs Ange massively.

Why Ange is being considered for the job is beyond me. Stinks of desperation, cheap and Levy getting a yes man similar to Nuno. "We will make you proud" 2.0 incoming

You still haven't explained why not Mark Robbins or Kieran McKenna?
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Christ, it’s so boring that everyone who people don’t like is Levy’s “yes man”. If we accept that Levy will never change, and will always be a skinflint control freak, then finding a manager that can manage upwards and find some common ground with him is not a bad thing. Those managers who are intransigent and want it their way or no way like Conte and Jose will never succeed here because the relationships break down too quickly and we’re left in a mess. To manage Levy is a skill that’s almost as important at this club as managing the players.

Obviously the internet is not a great place for nuanced debate, but some people will still call Poch a “yes man” even though it’s well known he turned down loads of Levy’s bargain bin signings after establishing his power base at the club. He still managed to maintain a good working relationship with Levy for over 5 years which as close to a goddam miracle as we’ll ever see. Stories of including Levy in team-bonding trips, using his gaucho charisma to foster a relationship, these things matter. People and relationships matter. We’ve not had that at the club for a while now.
 
thebenjamin

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makeveli said:
Depressing ange to spurs is everywhere at the moment gonna happen today I’m depressed
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Yeah I concur. Been trying to talk myself into it but it's doomed before it starts. And not just because of him, because it shows they're deliberately appointing a manager who doesn't have the status to be demanding in the transfer market. And when he isn't given the tools, he has no chance at all. It will inevitably unravel in a matter of months.
 
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heinsmit

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I think his age is a total red herring. If it ever becomes a problem it means that he has been here for many years, and therefore implies that he has been successful.
 
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thebenjamin said:
Every time I try and convince myself this could turn out well, I come back to the fact that Poch, Nagelsmann and Gallardo, three managers who are exactly what we need, have been available for months and we're completely ignoring that.
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Yeah.

I like Ange and him and Mason could be ok but the clubs behaviour isn't right at all.

To ignore and refuse Poch, rule out Nagelsmann so publicly and Gallardo isn't even being considered it seems is odd when you look at the pedigree of the person they are employing.

It doesn't paint a good picture at all. Whether it's purely financial or they want a yes man I don't know but after everything they have built , the prices they charge and considering what they want to be this has been a strange strange managerial search that only strengthens my belief that Levy is now actively harming the football club.

And I'm someone who doesn't mind Ange at all. He plays nice football, seems like someone who can get people onside and will work with other coaches but yeah the optics here are atrocious and I fear he could be on a hiding to nothing.
 
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BIIIIG Angelous BIIIIG Angelous
He eats the Tim Tams
He drinks Fosters cans

He hates fucking *enter your own nemsis*
 
Guntz

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The age thing is such a stupid thing to beat him with.

It’s not like he’s in his 70s ffs
 
LeBonge79

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If you’d have told me AP would be our new manager a few weeks ago I’d have laughed you out of the building but im
starting to warm to the idea having looked in to his style of football and what the tactics connoisseurs think of him.

I think he’s gonna be able to handle himself well and this job will mean a lot to him.

Be nice to have a manger who isn’t an egotistical w***** in charge for a while too
 
thebenjamin

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Albertbarich said:
Yeah.

I like Ange and him and Mason could be ok but the clubs behaviour isn't right at all.

To ignore and refuse Poch, rule out Nagelsmann so publicly and Gallardo isn't even being considered it seems is odd when you look at the pedigree of the person they are employing.

It doesn't paint a good picture at all. Whether it's purely financial or they want a yes man I don't know but after everything they have built , the prices they charge and considering what they want to be this has been a strange strange managerial search that only strengthens my belief that Levy is now actively harming the football club.

And I'm someone who doesn't mind Ange at all. He plays nice football, seems like someone who can get people onside and will work with other coaches but yeah the optics here are atrocious and I fear he could be on a hiding to nothing.
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totally. I've been very 'see both sides' on Levy over the years. But he's actively holding the club hostage now. I don't even subscribe to it being financial, we've spent plenty of money, he's just very, very bad at running a football club. He was fine as a disruptor, the little guy (lol) punching up, but now we're actually there as a £500M PA football club, he is absolutely beyond clueless. How on earth you can justify ignoring Gallardo, Pochettino and Nagelsmann in favour of Postecoglou is borderline negligent. And that's not that I particularly mind Postecoglou in isolation - it just shows a CEO who's completely lost the plot and doesn't know which way is up any more.

Anyway, good luck Ange. Enjoy your compensation!
 
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I have nothing against AP however there is any number of Championship or League one managers who would be successful at Celtic. In my opinion the guys at Coventry & Luton achievements are better but they are not under consideration. We have had the best part of 7 months to appoint a new man as we knew Conte was off as far back as November. We appointed Conte#2 when we upgraded Stellini and then Mason, We went after JN and he allegedly was interested, not interested and then possibly interested. We chase Slot allegedly for weeks as we got the impression from him he would come only for him to use it to get an upgraded contract. Now we have another shortlist to go with the previous shortlists.

We are a laughing stock not only with oppo fans but within our own fanbase. Can someone just sit down make a decision as to who is going to be the best fit and manage us the way a club of our stature should be.
 
robotsonic

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danielneeds said:
Christ, it’s so boring that everyone who people don’t like is Levy’s “yes man”. If we accept that Levy will never change, and will always be a skinflint control freak, then finding a manager that can manage upwards and find some common ground with him is not a bad thing. Those managers who are intransigent and want it their way or no way like Conte and Jose will never succeed here because the relationships break down too quickly and we’re left in a mess. To manage Levy is a skill that’s almost as important at this club as managing the players.

Obviously the internet is not a great place for nuanced debate, but some people will still call Poch a “yes man” even though it’s well known he turned down loads of Levy’s bargain bin signings after establishing his power base at the club. He still managed to maintain a good working relationship with Levy for over 5 years which as close to a goddam miracle as we’ll ever see. Stories of including Levy in team-bonding trips, using his gaucho charisma to foster a relationship, these things matter. People and relationships matter. We’ve not had that at the club for a while now.
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Was my main reason for wanting Poch back tbh. He knew better than anyone how to manage Daniel Levy.
 
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leray

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Because when you manage for so long and don't get a big job you have to question why surely? I mean he could just be a late bloomer but I think it's perfectly normal to be concerned
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Yes, it's very surprising that in an industry filled with prejudices, stereotypes and lazy thinking at every level of the pyramid, an Australian manager, who has never played in Europe, didn't get a big job in the TOP5 leagues.

Ange is only 4 years older than Ten Hag. Didn't see people questioning ETH's age, more likely he was described as an up and coming manager.

I don't really care about his age, I don't care that he never managed in the TOP5 leagues. He's got equal chance of succeeding as Nagelsmann, Enrique, Gallardo or Mason. As any manager, his success is mostly down to what kind of players he has. Mourinho overperformed with Porto but then regressed to the level of his players with an occasional European cup. Conte worked wonders with Vucinic or Matri at Juventus, but eventually demanded the best available players at every club.

There are only a handful of managers that can make the team consistently play above their level. Maybe there's only one - Klopp - and even he cannot maintain the same level every season.

If we can sign good, hungry players then I'm calm about our chances in the next few season. If we continue this scatter approach to recruitment, then any manager will be doomed.
 
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I would prefer to keep Mason and bring in someone like Harry or Roy to advise in background , then risk it all on Ange ( who i dont rate at all , ive played football manager and could prob win the league with celtic his test was in europe where they did nothing again )

At least mason has shown he will change it up when not working, perhaps we give him a season ( a bit like those down the road did ) because lets be honest we are fast running though our so called list and it reeks of Nuno situation again.
 
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thebenjamin said:
Yeah I concur. Been trying to talk myself into it but it's doomed before it starts. And not just because of him, because it shows they're deliberately appointing a manager who doesn't have the status to be demanding in the transfer market. And when he isn't given the tools, he has no chance at all. It will inevitably unravel in a matter of months.
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I'm disapointed we did not get JN or Slot or even Gallardo. It's defintiely an underwhelming appointment but let's not write him off before he even has a chance.

Getting the right manager is a total crap-shoot...Mourninho and Conte have both shown a high profile winner is no guarantee of success.

Ferguson, Wenger, Arteta are all examples of managers without impressive CVs who have transformed clubs....not to mention the likes of Potter, De Zerbi, Poch, Emery, none of which were accepted without reservation, but who have done a good job.

At the end of the day, the managers job is to develop players, motivate them to perform and get us playing attacking football. Ange may not have the glamour or high profile but he has shown at Celtic that he is a very good coach. Let's get behind him and hope the club invests in the right playing staff and I think we could all be surprised.
 
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JUSTINSIGNAL

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thebenjamin said:
Yeah I concur. Been trying to talk myself into it but it's doomed before it starts. And not just because of him, because it shows they're deliberately appointing a manager who doesn't have the status to be demanding in the transfer market. And when he isn't given the tools, he has no chance at all. It will inevitably unravel in a matter of months.
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Or they want a manager who will work with a data-led recruitment model and won't demand specific players?

Everywhere I read that we need to be more like Brentford and Brighton, and this is exactly their approach. They sign players based on data models for the manager to coach.

Personally i'm all for that model. Means we don't need a huge churn of the squad, at great expense, every time we change managers.
 
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danielneeds said:
I don’t get this arguemenr. He’s literally had Poch, Jose, and Conte consecutively as three of the best paid managers in the world
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I keep seeing it too and the best I can do to understand it is people then say, he paid big wages but wouldn't then make enough big signings to support those high paid managers and so the net result is that he is still as tight as a duck's arse. Of course, it ignores the big spending while Conte was manger.
 
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