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Oh Teddy Teddy · May 30, 2023

Huddlebone said:
I just really hope we dont go for postecoglou, there is levels in this game. Look at Gerrard, everyone thought he was "the next big thing" at Rangers but the Scottish Premiership are miles behind in terms of tactical class.

Gerrard means absolutely nothing. The guy had no experience of managing anywhere and was propped up by his far superior assistant coach.

Is it any different to me saying “if there are levels in the game, how come we’ve blown through two of the greatest managers in modern history while our most successful(? Relatively) has been some fella who did a good job at a-now La Liga 2 side and a midtable Southampton?”

Bottom line is if the club agree he’s the guy to take the job, based on his character, his vision for the club, the way he wants to play, the players he needs, and it aligns with what our DoF and recruitment team want to do. He should be hired and he should be backed.

But let’s not hold our breath.

Cochraam · May 30, 2023

At this point I'm hoping for 2-3 days of solid rumors before we make an appointment so I can talk myself into believing it is a good choice by the time we make the announcement.

jay2040 · May 30, 2023

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RobjDerby said:
I just think, you know, as the 9th richest club in world in football, it might be nice to have manager. Any manager. That’s how low my expectations have become

Agree though it is a tricky process especially as Levy is probably trying to find someone willing to pay us a fee to manage the team!

ajspurs · May 30, 2023

Hotspur88 said:
Slot gate broke me, everything else now just feels meh! Can't explain it but just had this feeling he would be the one to turn this shit around. However, with the continued shitshow at the top, does it really matter who we get in?!

I think it certainly does matter. I don't really like the mindset of "things are going to be shit no matter who we get in" because a good managerial decision here with 4/5 of their players coming in and hopefully a host of players going out could change the perception completely. Because of the restraints we have due to who's in charge it does feels like there's probably too much of an element of luck to it all but unfortunately that's the hand we're currently dealt with.

Bluto Blutarsky · May 30, 2023

ajspurs said:
because a good managerial decision here with 4/5 of their players coming in and hopefully a host of players going out could change the perception completely.

You’ve just named 5/6 things that are unlikely to happen.

the yid · May 30, 2023

Hotspur88 said:
Slot gate broke me, everything else now just feels meh! Can't explain it but just had this feeling he would be the one to turn this shit around. However, with the continued shitshow at the top, does it really matter who we get in?!

Genuinely how I felt during Joses reign and we ended up with Fucking Nuno how you feel about Slot is how I felt about Conte. Regardless who the manager is pal Levy will do his usual it's been like that for so long now mate Slot would have ended the same way.

ButchCassidy · May 30, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
If you're 'sorry to dig me out' then why not just ignore the post and move on.

And to counter your points as I said my friend is a die-hard SPL and football fan and ST holder of over 15 years and I can tell you he will probably watch a good 50-60% of Celtics games because he is a football fanatic and if you read what I wrote he referenced the way Ange comes across in press conferences and what he's been doing in terms of tapping into the Asian market etc.

It was just an opinion but given none of us on here are SPL fans or experts I thought it would be a useful insight and I stand by that. Your made up example is not a like for like comparison.

Plenty of others did find it useful...

At this point I’ve probably heard/read opinions from a dozen or so SPL watchers and every single one says AP plays some of the best football they’ve ever seen in their lives. I was really down on Ange initially as winning the league with Celtic isn’t enough on its own (Neil Lennon anyone?) but it’s not the results as much as the way he has them playing that makes him an interesting choice. A risk, absolutely, but he’s absolutely smashed it at every job he’s ever had, so at least it’s a fun risk with some upside.

GetSpurredOn · May 30, 2023

RobjDerby said:
I just think, you know, as the 9th richest club in world in football, it might be nice to have manager. Any manager. That’s how low my expectations have become

When you put it like that it’s even worse. Premier League, highest profile league in the world. London club, attractive cosmopolitan city. Truly world class stadium and training facilities. 9th richest club in the world…..

Can’t get a DoF or manager, being turned down for lesser leagues, with less money, because we are so poorly run. Highest season tickets in the league. Highest paid Chairman. No glimpse of success to warrant either.

Ginola+Tonic said:
I actually think all this silence is a good thing and something is brewing/advancing behind the scenes.

This time next week I think we’ll know who our man is.

I do hope you are right.

fishhhandaricecake said:
This could merge over to the DofF thread but I think its relevant in here also because there have been rumours and/or direct quotes that we spoke to the Eintract Frankfurt CEO, the Feyernoord General Manager, the Ex B.Leverkeusen DofF, a Chief Scout at Brentford and a few other DofF's, well some of these will be true and some won't but the ones which are true will be influencing our Manager Search, e.g. if the Feyernoord GM said yes please and we went for him then we'd have got Slot sorted at the same time no doubt, so I think this is the only thing which is giving me a semblance of hope as to why its taking a long time because trying to align these two positions and get it right and build a new ethos isn't easy especially for someone like DL who isn't a football person and who overanalyses everything.

If we get movement on one we should then get movement on the other and vice versa.

I agree in principle, the two roles are so intrinsically linked, there has to be a joined up approach. But we don’t seem to know which one to try and appoint first. Nagelsmann just stands out as the beat candidate, and allegedly offered up some DoF names. Why didn’t we do whatever it took to secure one of them, and in turn secure one of the most sought after young managers available. If we couldn’t get the DoF’s suggested, explain why (after all they do have a choice to stay put) and offer alternatives. So long as they are on the same page, it should still work.

For me, it needs to be
1. Nagelsmann
2. Enrique
3. Gallardo
4. Postecoglu
5. Potter
Nobody else currently ticks enough boxes for me.

fishhhandaricecake · May 30, 2023

ajspurs said:
I think it certainly does matter. I don't really like the mindset of "things are going to be shit no matter who we get in" because a good managerial decision here with 4/5 of their players coming in and hopefully a host of players going out could change the perception completely. Because of the restraints we have due to who's in charge it does feels like there's probably too much of an element of luck to it all but unfortunately that's the hand we're currently dealt with.

Great post, I also don't agree with the catastrophizing which occurs at times because we are all emotional and passionate about the club and because we are worn down by the last 3 seasons especially.

Look sure Levy might get it wrong again and we might get relegated but I still think that kind of trajectory is highly unlikely and in reality we will either make a slightly underwhelming appointment, a good appointment or a very good one and as you rightly say it absolutely DOES matter who the next Manager is because if we do get this right then with a bit of time and a few sensible signings things could look very different.

There are even now still a good say 6 Managers who if we brought in I think could do a pretty decent job and the fact we targeted Slot and by all accounts are/were interested in Amorim, Big Ange, L.Enrique is a positive sign because all of those in different ways are good choices.

Then as fallbacks we still have : Naglesmann & De Zerbi (pipedreams), Potter, T.Frank, Fonseca, M.Silva, Mason all of whom could do a good job in different ways.

If its Glasner or Galtier or someone similar then I will give up haha but I don't think we are near that point yet...

daveduvet · May 30, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
When Ernique was at Celta he brought in a number of young players. He completely changed the style and ethos of the team, making them a lot more technical and aggressive than they were under Abel Resino. When he left, Celta brought in Bielsa ex assistant from his time as Chilli manager, Eduardo Berizzo, in an attempt to continue the work Enrique had started. Berizzo was very much from the Bielsa high press attacking school. Essentially Enrique laid the foundations for the Celta to build upon both tactically and with the players that he had brought in. Enrique's influence lasted a lot longer than his time in charge.

Appreciate the insight…yourself & a couple of others help me create a sense of perspective in what feels at times like a ‘ridiculous search’ for our next coach. Too much hyperbole in this thread. Cheers for the sanity

mr ashley · May 30, 2023

Still surprised that we haven’t been linked with Franck haise at lens.
he’s having another impressive season over achieving at lens

He (alongside gallardo) should be on our shortlist

makeveli · May 30, 2023

We’ve waited till end of season for dof and manager ok that’s an excuse a good one for levy if it don’t happen soon then his a fraud and we are in trouble

Scott Spur · May 30, 2023

Day 67 - The SC housemates are a little more upbeat after the shock and disappointment of Slot-gate.

Despite most of the community thinking he was the guy who voiced ‘Puss in Boots’ from Shrek only 3 weeks ago, Luis Enrique is now viewed by most as the tactical genius they’ve been waiting on.

Opinion is still split though, numerous housemates have started recalling repressed memories of random conversations with Scottish people stating how good a certain Aussie fella called Angela Postcode is. Fair dinkum mate.

Meanwhile, Hotspur88 is less convinced and has refused to come out of his/her/its room.

Tune in tomorrow to see who A&C votes out of the ‘Short Bald Brother’ house.

Spurs4CL · May 30, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
If you're 'sorry to dig me out' then why not just ignore the post and move on.

And to counter your points as I said my friend is a die-hard SPL and football fan and ST holder of over 15 years and I can tell you he will probably watch a good 50-60% of Celtics games because he is a football fanatic and if you read what I wrote he referenced the way Ange comes across in press conferences and what he's been doing in terms of tapping into the Asian market etc.

It was just an opinion but given none of us on here are SPL fans or experts I thought it would be a useful insight and I stand by that. Your made up example is not a like for like comparison.

Plenty of others did find it useful...

Yeah you got a bunch of informative reactions because of some random that watches football. There's a load of people on this very forum that have some horrendous takes on football, players and managers and I'm sure a lot are 'die hard' fans and season ticket holders , doesn't mean their opinion is any more informative .

ajspurs · May 30, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
You’ve just named 5/6 things that are unlikely to happen.

With us of course it can be considered unlikely, but it's also not massively farfetched either. And In no offence to anyone else but I'm not gonna act like there's zero chance we may come out of this in some sort of good light.

fishhhandaricecake said:
Great post, I also don't agree with the catastrophizing which occurs at times because we are all emotional and passionate about the club and because we are worn down by the last 3 seasons especially.

Look sure Levy might get it wrong again and we might get relegated but I still think that kind of trajectory is highly unlikely and in reality we will either make a slightly underwhelming appointment, a good appointment or a very good one and as you rightly say it absolutely DOES matter who the next Manager is because if we do get this right then with a bit of time and a few sensible signings things could look very different.

There are even now still a good say 6 Managers who if we brought in I think could do a pretty decent job and the fact we targeted Slot and by all accounts are/were interested in Amorim, Big Ange, L.Enrique is a positive sign because all of those in different ways are good choices.

Then as fallbacks we still have : Naglesmann & De Zerbi (pipedreams), Potter, T.Frank, Fonseca, M.Silva, Mason all of whom could do a good job in different ways.

If its Glasner or Galtier or someone similar then I will give up haha but I don't think we are near that point yet...

Absolutely. As unlikely as it feels we have to hope that the right decisions are going to be made here, and frustrating as everything feels right now, the possibilities for something positive are there for sure. Also like others have mentioned, as much as there are a host of players that need to go, I think there's also a promising group of players with us too, that have a lot more to give under the right manager.

If it will be someone like the two managers you state at the end there though my tone will change also

Spurs4CL · May 30, 2023

Anyway, I've got a Spanish mate that's an expert on everything Spanish cause hes from Spain and he said
' Compadre, Enrique is the dogs bollockso'

FibreOpticJesus · May 30, 2023

Hotspur88 said:
Slot gate broke me, everything else now just feels meh! Can't explain it but just had this feeling he would be the one to turn this shit around. However, with the continued shitshow at the top, does it really matter who we get in?!

I get where you are coming from but many of us have been at a point in our lives where we hope to make a big purchase and then the seller adds in conditions or a price which is way above what we would have started negotiating the gritty bits. Easy for us to sit where we are and slag off Levy (oh and does he deserve it in spades) But on this occasion I tend to believe the posts were moved so far down the road that Levy was not willing to take the finger. Am I pissed off. You bet I am but I think our real gripe is that the silly little worm was not spinning more plates. And that is what top business CEO’s do.

Hoddle&Waddle · May 30, 2023

FibreOpticJesus said:
I get where you are coming from but many of us have been at a point in our lives where we hope to make a big purchase and then the seller adds in conditions or a price which is way above what we would have started negotiating the gritty bits. Easy for us to sit where we are and slag off Levy (oh and does he deserve it in spades) But on this occasion I tend to believe the posts were moved so far down the road that Levy was not willing to take the finger. Am I pissed off. You bet I am but I think our real gripe is that the silly little worm was not spinning more plates. And that is what top business CEO’s do.

Not the old "the goal posts were moved" excuse again.

Taking Slot from Feyenoord should have been like taking candy from a baby for a Club of our wealth.

Skint little feyenoord in the Dutch league ffs. We tried to haggle over a few Million (probably less than badly pays himself for 6 months) yet again and ended up losing our top target.

barry · May 30, 2023

Hoddle&Waddle said:
Not the old "the goal posts were moved" excuse again.

Taking Slot from Feyenoord should have been like taking candy from a baby for a Club of our wealth.

Skint little feyenoord in the Dutch league ffs. We tried to haggle over a few Million (probably less than badly pays himself for 6 months) yet again and ended up losing our top target.

In reality it was the third highest compensation ever asked for a manager.

I wanted Slot but asking that for a man who has only managed 4 years, in a weak league, was taking the piss, and I get why the board thought fuck that.

I'll add I want Levy out, and I've got no time for the board but in this instance I get it.

Hoddle&Waddle · May 30, 2023

barry said:
In reality it was the third highest compensation ever asked for a manager.

I wanted Slot but asking that for a man who has only managed 4 years, in a weak league, was taking the piss, and I get why the board thought fuck that.

I'll add I want Levy out, and I've got no time for the board but in this instance I get it.

So where do Amorim, Naiglesmann and De Zerbi's release clauses sit on that list?

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