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Snarfalicious · May 13, 2023

I’ve had a chance to step back and evaluate (and hit the weed pen a few times).

What if this move is made by the club because they know Arne Slot is their guy? Everyone thinks we should go for Nagelsmann, but maybe they view this as their opportunity to start clearing the way for the Slot announcement? It may have come off as strange if all the sudden Slot gets announced while the rumors of Nagelsmann were going on. Fans would likely be saying “Slot? But Nagelsmann is right there!”

Sure, the club could just show conviction and say to the press we love Slot, he wants us and we are going all out for him etc. to show their intentions (it may be as the new manager but the way I worded it it could mean sex).

That’s definitely giving Levy probably more credit than he deserves now, but it could be some form of an explanation to the abruptness of all this.

Or Nagelsmann told Levy to get fucked.

amathews3416 · May 13, 2023

We all know how Levy is going to run things. Nagelsmann would have been another disaster like Mourinho or Conte, just inevitable that he would be unhappy with the club/Levy and that permeates down throughout the playing squad.

That's why the best fit would be a younger manager or manager from a team with lesser resources who won't have some big aspirations to spend large amounts of money and full control on player acquisitions. A manager who flexible enough who takes whatever parts he is given and gets the best out of them.

Smokinhotspur · May 13, 2023

JamieSpursCommunityUser said:
There is no statement, we leaked it.

We briefed the same journalists today, who were being briefed before saying we were in talks.

The same guys who turn up to the training ground every week to cover the club.

You think they all got together and decided to make it up in unison for a laugh?

Scratching my head to figure out why the club would want to leak this.

Maybe they think JN's side is using our situation and interest in him to angle for a bigger job so they wanted to shut it down. The recent quotes from Rangnick were interesting which sounded like a plea for the club to bring him and JN on board!

soflapaul · May 13, 2023

JCRD said:
And thats why this is better to have been done now. It seems some of us just want to get JN in and rinse and repeat the same situations as we have had the last four years. I dont really want any of that shit again.

We need to get back to basics. We arent competing for the title etc, We need to get back to basics, we need to change, we need to sort this shit out and that takes time but that also takes patience and going back to what we are supposed to be and working our way back up

Some of us think that JN could get us back to the basics while at the same time speeding up the recovery time esp if Ralph or one of his minions came in as DOF. with that said, there is so much we don't know.. One reason i liked JN was because he appeared to be the best candidate to keep HK happy and while some are happy to sell him, our hit and miss record on goal scorers and transfers and general in general makes losing him far riskier than if our recruitment was among the best. with that said, players should have no say in the manager selection. However, it makes sense to get the temperature of the water before jumping in if part of your enjoyment derives from the temperature.

HedgieSpur · May 13, 2023

Finchyid said:
The owners don’t treat me or supporters any way. They are clear and transparent and always have been. The internet and social media says otherwise. The owners have always been clear on their plan. They have built the best infrastructure in Europe, that is designed to generate revenue that can drive the club forward. I am not sure what part of that is badly treated. I am a Tottenham supporter and have been for 42 years. Not the most I know but we have been in far worse state than this and I am not going to lose my shit over the fact we didn’t sign a manager that Twitter wants

Ive been a fan almost as long as you and disagree. Our owners continue to enrich themselves and have made to clear by their ACTIONS that their plan is to widen the remit of our club to being a multi sports and entertainment company. If you feel we have had good value on the footballing side from ENIC then I am genuinely happy that you feel this way. No doubt ENIC will be ecstatic that delivering 1 trophy in 22 years has some fans feeling well treated.

Im sure you will appreciate that there are many others who feel the opposite and wish to see further progress made in football terms.

JamieSpursCommunityUser · May 13, 2023

Finchyid said:
The owners don’t treat me or supporters any way. They are clear and transparent and always have been. The internet and social media says otherwise. The owners have always been clear on their plan. They have built the best infrastructure in Europe, that is designed to generate revenue that can drive the club forward. I am not sure what part of that is badly treated. I am a Tottenham supporter and have been for 42 years. Not the most I know but we have been in far worse state than this and I am not going to lose my shit over the fact we didn’t sign a manager that Twitter wants

We sacked a manager 6 days before a Cup final on the same day as announcing the European Super League without any fan consultation.

We appoint Managing Directors (Football) and Chief Football Officers with statements of their roles and responsibilities, then over rule them when an agent rings up with a bargain the Coach doesn't want and doesn't play.

TV and Commercial Income goes up - and still they squeeze the pips from match going fans with the highest ticket prices in the country; talking about being caretakers of the club whilst locking the next generation out of games.

Clear as mud.

Finchyid · May 13, 2023

HedgieSpur said:
Ive been a fan almost as long as you and disagree. Our owners continue to enrich themselves and have made to clear by their ACTIONS that their plan is to widen the remit of our club to being a multi sports and entertainment company. If you feel we have had good value on the footballing side from ENIC then I am genuinely happy that you feel this way. No doubt ENIC will be ecstatic that delivering 1 trophy in 22 years has some fans feeling well treated.

Im sure you will appreciate that there are many others who feel the opposite and wish to see further progress made in football terms.

To be fair if you have supported us for the same time as me then you will know 1 trophy in 22 years dates to 2001 which was 10 years after our last trophy. So forgetting ownership we have 2 trophies in 32 years.

taidgh · May 13, 2023

Snarfalicious said:
I’ve had a chance to step back and evaluate (and hit the weed pen a few times).

What if this move is made by the club because they know Arne Slot is their guy? Everyone thinks we should go for Nagelsmann, but maybe they view this as their opportunity to start clearing the way for the Slot announcement? It may have come off as strange if all the sudden Slot gets announced while the rumors of Nagelsmann were going on. Fans would likely be saying “Slot? But Nagelsmann is right there!”

Sure, the club could just show conviction and say to the press we love Slot, he wants us and we are going all out for him etc. to show their intentions (it may be as the new manager but the way I worded it it could mean sex).

That’s definitely giving Levy probably more credit than he deserves now, but it could be some form of an explanation to the abruptness of all this.

Or Nagelsmann told Levy to get fucked.

Yeah, that's along the lines of what I think as well. I suppose we'll find out soon... relatively soon, at least.

HedgieSpur · May 13, 2023

Snarfalicious said:
I’ve had a chance to step back and evaluate (and hit the weed pen a few times).

What if this move is made by the club because they know Arne Slot is their guy? Everyone thinks we should go for Nagelsmann, but maybe they view this as their opportunity to start clearing the way for the Slot announcement? It may have come off as strange if all the sudden Slot gets announced while the rumors of Nagelsmann were going on. Fans would likely be saying “Slot? But Nagelsmann is right there!”

Sure, the club could just show conviction and say to the press we love Slot, he wants us and we are going all out for him etc. to show their intentions (it may be as the new manager but the way I worded it it could mean sex).

That’s definitely giving Levy probably more credit than he deserves now, but it could be some form of an explanation to the abruptness of all this.

Or Nagelsmann told Levy to get fucked.

In my view, it doesn't matter much that we aren't getting Nagelsmann. Any of Slot, De Zerbi, Enrique, Amorim, Gallardo, Postecoglu Id be happy with to varying degrees. The issue for me was the cack-handed and clumsy leaking which unnecessarily brought attention to a situation that didn't need it.

If Slot really is our man then why wouldn't we simply announce him? Why did we need to do this leak? It just brought further negative press to a club that has been a shambles this season. Moreover, it smacks of a lack of planning and direction.

Perhaps all this wouldn't feel so bad if this pattern of behaviour was not so familiar

Finchyid · May 13, 2023

JamieSpursCommunityUser said:
We sacked a manager 6 days before a Cup final on the same day as announcing the European Super League without any fan consultation.

We appoint Managing Directors (Football) and Chief Football Officers with statements of their roles and responsibilities, then over rule them when an agent rings up with a bargain the Coach doesn't want and doesn't play.

TV and Commercial Income goes up - and still they squeeze the pips from match going fans with the highest ticket prices in the country; talking about being caretakers of the club whilst locking the next generation out of games.

Clear as mud.

Yes and I bet 5 days before that 6 days 90% of our support wants Jose gone. I did!
As for ticket prices I have paid same since we have been stadium, have they raised it no. Is it expensive that’s perspective

HedgieSpur · May 13, 2023

Finchyid said:
To be fair if you have supported us for the same time as me then you will know 1 trophy in 22 years dates to 2001 which was 10 years after our last trophy. So forgetting ownership we have 2 trophies in 32 years.

Very true.

Finchyid · May 13, 2023

HedgieSpur said:
Very true.

Completely true…but it’s all the owners!
This trophy shit is just bollocks sorry supporting spurs in the 90s was really hard but most don’t know that

HedgieSpur · May 13, 2023

Finchyid said:
Completely true…but it’s all the owners!
This trophy shit is just bollocks sorry supporting spurs in the 90s was really hard but most don’t know that

Supporting Spurs in the 90s was easy because we knew we were shit and expectations were at that level.

Whichever way you look at it ENIC have NOT delivered on the footballing side, by any objective measure.

robertgoulet · May 13, 2023

This is a terrible PR move and the only way they can make people believe it is by appointing a DoF and manager quickly.

Dr Know · May 13, 2023

I don't want Levy gone but I don't want him making any footballing decisions. Keep him around to get more revenue using his very creative mind...........London's largest ice skating ring next!.

Clearly I'm no fan of Levy but before we get the noose out, let's be certain that it's Levy (the board) who has decided against JN. It could be that JN is not interested in joining Spurs. Guys lets be honest here, we may be an attractive club (best stadium and training facilities) but the last few years have made us look like a total mess! From appointing a DOF with a pending charge to hiring Nuno and then Conte spilling the beans (the truth) about the club's hierarchy..............we really do appear to be in a mess. I think Mason is a great servant of the club and is a true Spurs man but going by the last few years, I would not wish this mess on him.
If Mason is appointed, he will need a very strong DOF as I can't see him being able to handle Levy.

fishhhandaricecake · May 13, 2023

HedgieSpur said:
In my view, it doesn't matter much that we aren't getting Nagelsmann. Any of Slot, De Zerbi, Enrique, Amorim, Gallardo, Postecoglu Id be happy with to varying degrees. The issue for me was the cack-handed and clumsy leaking which unnecessarily brought attention to a situation that didn't need it.

If Slot really is our man then why wouldn't we simply announce him? Why did we need to do this leak? It just brought further negative press to a club that has been a shambles this season. Moreover, it smacks of a lack of planning and direction.

Perhaps all this wouldn't feel so bad if this pattern of behaviour was not so familiar

All true mate although if Slot if the one then could be waiting for then to tie up the league likely this weekend so can’t announce it yet.

OR we’re not close to a new manager yet and are sorting a new DofF first and taking an absolute age to decide both because Levy has no plan or clue.

But not a surprise another bad PR move by the club although they will fool a small % with the ‘we are interested in JN line’ whereas If it broke that JN turned us down then that would just be

negative so I see why they’ve leaked it even if it is clear as day to most of us that it’s likely bs.

I love all the names you’ve mentioned, if we get one of those aside from maybe Amorim then happy days but it’s the other 5-6 names that Levy could land on which worry me

Let’s see how it shakes out, I’m still quietly optimistic the new manager will be a good fit

JamieSpursCommunityUser · May 13, 2023

Finchyid said:
Yes and I bet 5 days before that 6 days 90% of our support wants Jose gone. I did!
As for ticket prices I have paid same since we have been stadium, have they raised it no. Is it expensive that’s perspective

Then sack Mourinho a month before and put a plan in place to take the final seriously.

The board didn't take it seriously because it doesn't make money, just like we didn't take the Sheffield FA Cup game seriously by announcing Go Karting tracks before Kick off.

They're not doing that before a CL tie.

We've trebled our revenue in recent years, but the average age at the stadium keeps getting older as the youngsters have been completely priced out.

I find it sad for the traditions of the club to not bring along the next generation below me, and it's why there's no atmosphere.

That energy and spirit from WHL is dying and it's because of ENIC's greed. Custodians my arse.

Finchyid · May 13, 2023

HedgieSpur said:
Supporting Spurs in the 90s was easy because we knew we were shit and expectations were at that level.

Whichever way you look at it ENIC have NOT delivered on the footballing side, by any objective measure.

No actually enic have actually increased expectations. Yes we have not won trophies but in the last 15 years we have finished in the top 6 a lot.. I don’t know the stats. But Harry had us top 5 for 3 seasons. So actually they have delivered its just not what people want

Finchyid · May 13, 2023

JamieSpursCommunityUser said:
Then sack Mourinho a month before and put a plan in place to take the final seriously.

The board didn't take it seriously because it doesn't make money, just like we didn't take the Sheffield FA Cup game seriously by announcing Go Karting tracks before Kick off.

They're not doing that before a CL tie.

We've trebled our revenue in recent years, but the average age at the stadium keeps getting older as the youngsters have been completely priced out.

I find it sad for the traditions of the club to not bring along the next generation below me, and it's why there's no atmosphere.

That energy and spirit from WHL is dying and it's because of ENIC's greed. Caretakers my arse.

It’s not cos of enics greed, I dont encourage my kids to go to spurs cos it’s horrible to go and watch! My daughter always wants to go, she is spurs but when I take her the atmosphere is horrible. Then i have to explain to her they apparently all love Spurs. But she says why do they say royal is a ****? I say not sure…she says but he plays for spurs. I say I know it’s too hard to explain

spursfan1991 · May 13, 2023

spursfan1991 said:
We have all been here before, we all know what is going to happen soon, it is a shame and we all know the real reasons why which has been discussed many times in other threads. The question is, when the inevitable happens, who would you like it to be next?

Poch - They say never go back but he has unfinished business. He was setup to fail in his last 12 months with no signings in summer and we then sold a crucial midfielder in the winter without replacing him until the rot set.

Tuchel - He is ex-chelsea so will need to be on that list for that reason alone. Our bald headed genius doesnt have any innovative ideas himself so tries to copy other succeasful teams and fails miserably. Tuchel will fail here just like the other ex-chelsea coaches. He wont be a good option.

Franks - He will be a good option, he will see spurs as progression and will value his job here. He can overachieve and thats the type of manager Spurs need.

Graham Potter - Quality coach, he is the wrong fit for Chelsea, his sacking is probably not far away. He would be better fit for ENIC.

Spalletti - Doing great at Napoli, playing lovely stuff. He will be silly to leave Napoli now but Spurs are a bigger draw than them.

Ryan Mason - Understands what to dare is to do means.

Postecoglou - The Celtic coach is highly rated and is regarded as an attacking coach. Their seems to be a belief he will get an EPL job at some point.

Whoever does come in next will need to see Spurs as a progression in their career or has genuine love for the club and wants Spurs to play on the front foot. In the last few years, we have shown too much respect to teams, and too much sitting back. We have really wasted the ability of Kane by playing this way.

p.s. There is no ITK to suggest he is walking or getting sacked. However, the performances and results are not going the direction anyone wants at the club. ENiC have acted decisively in the past in these situations. Then you have the added contract situation. All this leads to the inevitable conclusion that this relationship is not far away from concluding.

Almost 5 months since the first post, a muppet like me could see what was happening from a mile off but those earning millions to see these things couldnt or maybe they did, who knows, maybe they deliberately misled journos. Anyway, the part that is highlighted above is still the most important, especially under the ENIC business model.

It is a pity Naggelsman did not workout, hopefully they can identify or stumble on the next big coach, whoever that is.

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