What do you mean by get back to basics?
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What do you mean by get back to basics?
Yeah I mean we have no money, Levy will be pissed off that he put in 150m last year and got nothing in return. Hes never going to sanction another 150m for Nagelsmann.
Only players worth anything in the squad right now are Son, Kane, maybe Hojbjerg?, Romero, Bissouma, Skipp. Someone like Richarlison is maybe worth 25-30m now but no chance Levy takes a real world loss of 30m in a year.
Nagelsmann was the one hope that this club was serious about trying to make use of the Harry Kane window, looks like we are in for a long 2-3 seasons.
Only players worth anything in the squad right now are Son, Kane, maybe Hojbjerg?, Romero, Bissouma, Skipp. Someone like Richarlison is maybe worth 25-30m now but no chance Levy takes a real world loss of 30m in a year.
Nagelsmann was the one hope that this club was serious about trying to make use of the Harry Kane window, looks like we are in for a long 2-3 seasons.
Trix
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The journalists that broke this are the same journalists that were reporting he was our top target or at least was very high on our list for weeks. So were they just making it all up before but now they aren't?
Starting from scratch. None of this bringing in someone who will want large budgets, going for titles immediately etc. That isnt going to happen , that is why im not fussed about JN.... Id like us pretty much do what we did when Poch first came in, over the next couple of years we sort out our squad, focus on our style of play, deciding who we are... incremental steps whilst building a good young team.... none of this promising the world and delivering on nothing.
Some of us still have this idea that we are flushed with cash and will be able to give what JN wants... we wont. So we will just have another Conte situation.
If we decided to do this four years ago, we wouldnt be now where we are now. So the sooner we get realise this the sooner we will hopefully get that success we all crave.
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This is just me and what I want because I dont want another cycle of crap and another few seasons of nothingness.
JamieSpursCommunityUser
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There is no statement, we leaked it.
We briefed the same journalists today, who were being briefed before saying we were in talks.
The same guys who turn up to the training ground every week to cover the club.
You think they all got together and decided to make it up in unison for a laugh?
IamSpurtacus
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It doesn't sound like he was demanding loads of cash - just assurances about the DoF, transfer budget and control
Hardly unreasonable to want visibility into the constraints you'll be operating under
The way this has played out says more about Levy, and the lack of direction, than it does about JN
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Why are we so poor now? I thought we were one of the top 10 richest clubs in the world and we haven't really splashed the cash that much have we?
Why are we so poor now? I thought we were one of the top 10 richest clubs in the world and we haven't really splashed the cash that much have we?
mil1lion
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I have to say though it's really not Nagelsmanns place to ask for a change in wage structure or even how much money we spend. He could only be here a couple of years and that financial change would impact the club long term. We have Munn overlooking the football (hopefully) and we need a DOF to work within the financial structure of the club. It's not the managers place. Poch wanted more control and never got it so no surprise Nagelsmann wont either.
It's not ideal but at the end of the day we're not going to be spending like the top teams so we have to get a manager who will work in that structure. I'm glad this isn't happening now because it would have just been another situation as with Jose and Conte. Another manager who wants more than he's going to get with this club and falling out. The next manager will have to be someone who can work with limited spend. We can be successful doing that just as we were under Redknapp and Poch.
It's not ideal but at the end of the day we're not going to be spending like the top teams so we have to get a manager who will work in that structure. I'm glad this isn't happening now because it would have just been another situation as with Jose and Conte. Another manager who wants more than he's going to get with this club and falling out. The next manager will have to be someone who can work with limited spend. We can be successful doing that just as we were under Redknapp and Poch.
For me, the annoying thing is the fans are getting charged like a top team. The board can't have it both ways.
JamieSpursCommunityUser
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Good for you, honestly, and I don't mean to dampen your enjoyment of the club.
I just can't stand the way the owners treat the club and the supporters.
No forward thinking, and then covering for continuous miss-management with these BS press briefings.
mil1lion
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Honestly it wouldn't change if ticket prices were lower, fans will still demand more at the end of the day.
I do agree though, ticket prices are too high for a team not winning titles. It's obvious those higher prices are more for attending the stadium.
HedgieSpur
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So why are we not flush with cash given the revenue generated by the stadium and the prices charged to fans? Why are we pleading poverty? I get that we are not a City or Chelsea but shouldn't be hard up either.
There is nothing to suggest Nagelsmann wanted a boatload of cash anyway. In fact, given his history and Hoffenheim and RB Leipzig, Id say that it was unlikely that he would demand that.
My guess is that he wanted commitments around decision making with respect to transfers, which was probably untenable for our resident Land Economist who appears to believe he has footballing knowledge.
My view is that we will tread water football wise until ENIC sell up. I suspect they have more property deals and other sports to push before they ever do sell up
Think the one question I have with Slot is whether the style of play he uses is a bit too open for the EPL. No doubt, you'd get games where we'd look great but just a nagging doubt that this league is very unforgiving and things you may get away against teams in Holland would more than likely get punished here and not just by the top teams. Seen some crazy score lines recently (not just in our games) and just re-emphasises that get things wrong in the league and it can get ugly.
Watched some Feyenoord games recently and no doubt they really do like to take the game to their opponents and force the issue. Felt like the players are sent out with the shackles off and enjoy it however must admit there does seem to be more than their fair share of last ditch type of defending from them where they seem to look very vulnerable.
Obviously, he'd have better players to work with but it can sometimes only take a few bad beatings for the pressure to build and players start to question things and as he is relatively new to management, doesn't have the reputation to fall back on. Ideally, think you'd want a scenario where he joined a midtable and below club to get to grips with the games here and maybe tinker/adapt his tactics and see how he gets on. Just a thought really and mindful of a crash and burn type of football which give you great highs but also a number of lows.
Watched some Feyenoord games recently and no doubt they really do like to take the game to their opponents and force the issue. Felt like the players are sent out with the shackles off and enjoy it however must admit there does seem to be more than their fair share of last ditch type of defending from them where they seem to look very vulnerable.
Obviously, he'd have better players to work with but it can sometimes only take a few bad beatings for the pressure to build and players start to question things and as he is relatively new to management, doesn't have the reputation to fall back on. Ideally, think you'd want a scenario where he joined a midtable and below club to get to grips with the games here and maybe tinker/adapt his tactics and see how he gets on. Just a thought really and mindful of a crash and burn type of football which give you great highs but also a number of lows.
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DarwinSpur
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There is no fucking way Nagelsman would think Spurs is his "level". The bloke was so arrogant Bayern gave him the flick. Appointing him would be Conte fucking lite. Mourinho showed more interest in being a Spurs manager than either of them. Our next manager has to WANT TO MANAGE SPURS. Isn't this fucking obvious?
Christ Spurs fans are our own worst enemies sometimes. BillieT on Twitter moaning like a bitch for someone who would spit on us if given the opportunity.
Christ Spurs fans are our own worst enemies sometimes. BillieT on Twitter moaning like a bitch for someone who would spit on us if given the opportunity.
Finchyid
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The owners don’t treat me or supporters any way. They are clear and transparent and always have been. The internet and social media says otherwise. The owners have always been clear on their plan. They have built the best infrastructure in Europe, that is designed to generate revenue that can drive the club forward. I am not sure what part of that is badly treated. I am a Tottenham supporter and have been for 42 years. Not the most I know but we have been in far worse state than this and I am not going to lose my shit over the fact we didn’t sign a manager that Twitter wants
JamieSpursCommunityUser
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100% this.
If you look at JN's time at Hoffenheim and Leipzig. Full DOF decision making and control.
There's the budget not a penny more, but you make the decisions on ins and outs.
You look at his time at Bayern and he had less control, because there's more politics.
Players who can pull a Danny Rose with the higher ups when the Coach wants them out.
Finchyid
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It’s embarrassing to be fair, but if you say otherwise you are a levy lover…so it becomes pointless
HedgieSpur
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Sheesh........
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